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Ontario bill aims to strip returning terrorists of provincial privileges

Conil

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Finally someone that is trying to do something.

With a quarter of the nearly 200 Canadian members of overseas terrorist groups returning home and at least a dozen more held in Syrian detentions camps, an impending private-members bill will ensure they’re not entitled to benefits enjoyed by law-abiding Ontarians, the Sun has learned.

Set to be tabled at Queen’s Park next week, the Terrorist Activity Sanctions Act targets those who’ve carried out terrorist acts abroad and excludes them from such privileges as holding an Ontario driver’s licence or accessing provincial health coverage.

“It’s my strong belief that somebody who’s committed a criminal act as a terrorist outside of Canada, when they come back to Ontario, they should not have more privileges than somebody who lives in Ontario,” said Peterborough—Kawartha MPP Dave Smith, the bill’s sponsor.

“Since the Federal Government doesn’t seem to take this seriously, I felt obligated to take action and send a message that there are consequences for leaving Ontario to commit indefensible crimes.”

These crimes are referenced in Section 83 of the Criminal Code and include such acts as hijacking, jeopardizing the safety of civil aviation, hostage-taking and financing terrorist acts, as well as violations of international treaties, including maritime navigation and unlawful importation of nuclear material.
Dependent children would also be considered ‘in need of protection’ as defined by the Child, Youth and Family Services Act.

“These are privileges that, under different circumstances, we take away from people right now if they commit various crimes,” Smith said.

“The Federal Government is sitting on their hands as terrorists sit in foreign jails waiting to return to our beautiful province.”

Intelligence numbers obtained by the Sun say as many as 200 Canadians are still active members in overseas terrorist groups like ISIS. Of those, over a quarter have already returned to Canada — with few facing criminal repercussions for their activities abroad.

About a dozen Canadians are being held by anti-ISIS forces in Syria, while an unknown number of others were either killed in battle, executed by ISIS or managed to slip away undetected.

Under the bill, offenders would find themselves stripped of their Ontario drivers licence and hunting and fishing licences, as well as access to OHIP, grants and loans for post-secondary education, disability income and housing support, rent-geared-to-income under the Housing Services Act, and WSIB coverage.

At issue is what to do with Canadian citizens who leave home to join terror organizations abroad.

This week, the Trudeau Liberals faced harsh questions in the house over a Global News report concerning dialogue between Canadian consular officials and Jack Letts, a British-Canadian ISIS member being held by Kurdish forces.

Letts, dubbed ‘Jihadi Jack’ by the British media, converted to Islam before leaving England in 2014 to allegedly join ISIS’s atrocity-laden quest to create an Islamic caliphate in Syria.

Transcripts obtained by Global reveal Letts responding enthusiastically to overtures from officials of either returning to Great Britain, or relocating to Canada.

The U.K. government has expressed no interest in assisting Letts.

Meanwhile, Smith hopes his bill will send a message that will resonate beyond provincial borders.

“I have had numerous people come up to me with concerns, they want to know that a convicted terrorist cannot walk around freely without real consequences,” he said. “If they are not in a jail cell, they do not deserve the same privileges of every Ontarian.”

“Some acts are unforgivable,” Smith said.

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basketcase

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Even though there is some sense to it, there is no way the law could stand up to legal scrutiny. At best they can be tried in Canadian courts for their crimes.


Ford and his flunkies clearly are clueless about how the Canadian Constitution works with regards to powers of a province.
 

Orion1027

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Even though this won’t stand up in the courts, at least someone is doing what everybody is thinking. We sent our soldiers and airmen overseas to fight and in die combating ISIS, and now all the liberal snowflakes want to welcome home these Canadians who volunteered to go there to fight against our soldiers. Let them stay in Syria and Iraq, they thought it was a great idea fighting for the caliphate.
 

mandrill

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I commented on this in a different thread.

It is extremely difficult and expensive to prove events which took place in a war zone thousands of miles away. It is likely that no one will be able to prove that these men are really war criminals. At least not without spending massive amounts of time at trial for each one.
 

Orion1027

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I commented on this in a different thread.

It is extremely difficult and expensive to prove events which took place in a war zone thousands of miles away. It is likely that no one will be able to prove that these men are really war criminals. At least not without spending massive amounts of time at trial for each one.
I don’t want to sound obtuse, but if you leave your country and end up fighting against it, you should not be allowed back in period. I equate these ISIS fighters to Canadians leaving here to join the SS in WW2. ISIS targeted civilians and basked in their murderous atrocities. The murder of civilians is repugnant no matter what the uniform looks like and none of these ISIS fighters should be allowed back into Canada.
 

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I don’t want to sound obtuse, but if you leave your country and end up fighting against it, you should not be allowed back in period. I equate these ISIS fighters to Canadians leaving here to join the SS in WW2. ISIS targeted civilians and basked in their murderous atrocities. The murder of civilians is repugnant no matter what the uniform looks like and none of these ISIS fighters should be allowed back into Canada.
There are video evidence of Canadians burning their Canadian passports and urging fellow Muslims in Canada to attack Canadian properties and people.
 

Orion1027

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There are video evidence of Canadians burning their Canadian passports and urging fellow Muslims in Canada to attack Canadian properties and people.
And with this evidence out there it’s sickening to when the snowflakes come out to say a Canadian is a Canadian no matter what they do. Perhaps Khadr wasn’t with ISIS, but what’s the difference? He should never have been let back into Canada no less being paid 10 million.
 

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Even though this won’t stand up in the courts, at least someone is doing what everybody is thinking. ....
You mean prove how inefficient the Ford government is by wasting time and money (especially on the court challenges) by passing a law that we all know can not stand up to scrutiny?
 

basketcase

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I don’t want to sound obtuse, but if you leave your country and end up fighting against it, ....
Pretty complicated situation. The only 'fighting against their country' is if they fought against the Kurdish groups that included Canadian troops/advisors. If they were fighting against Assad they they could even be considered allies of Canada.
 

Orion1027

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You mean prove how inefficient the Ford government is by wasting time and money (especially on the court challenges) by passing a law that we all know can not stand up to scrutiny?
I think the pendulum in this country has swung too far left and everybody is afraid of offending this group or that. Perhaps it’s time it swung back to the sensible center and call things for what they are. If you left to fight for ISIS because you were promised 70 virgins when you die, fuck you, stay there now until you can collect your remuneration”. As far as Ford goes, I’d rather see that money burned in court than having that poor excuse of a PM paying off Khadr and sitting down with that other asshole Boyle who was turned out to be a real prize. I hope someone makes campaign posters of Trudeau and Boyle to show what a complete imbecile this PM is.
 

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There are video evidence of Canadians burning their Canadian passports and urging fellow Muslims in Canada to attack Canadian properties and people.
Unfortunately, from what I can tell, burning your Canadian passport isn't illegal.
 

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Set to be tabled at Queen’s Park next week, the Terrorist Activity Sanctions Act targets those who’ve carried out terrorist acts abroad and excludes them from such privileges as holding an Ontario driver’s licence or accessing provincial health coverage.

The way some people drive, it makes me believe they don’t have a driver’s license anyway.
 

mandrill

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And with this evidence out there it’s sickening to when the snowflakes come out to say a Canadian is a Canadian no matter what they do. Perhaps Khadr wasn’t with ISIS, but what’s the difference? He should never have been let back into Canada no less being paid 10 million.

Problem with your analysis of Khadr is that he was 16 years old when he was captured and most Canadian jurists would say that his trial in gitmo was unfair. And he's ours.

Bernardo did a lot of vile shit. He's ours too. Also Picton. Ours.

You can be like Saudi Arabia and kill people who piss you off. Or you can be a modern Western democracy and rely on laws. Laws sometimes protect people you personally don't like, but they're universal because that's how laws work.

If you don't like laws and obeying them, you can be like the ISIS boys. Burn your Canadian passport and find a Third world country to live in.
 

Orion1027

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Problem with your analysis of Khadr is that he was 16 years old when he was captured and most Canadian jurists would say that his trial in gitmo was unfair. And he's ours.

Bernardo did a lot of vile shit. He's ours too. Also Picton. Ours.

You can be like Saudi Arabia and kill people who piss you off. Or you can be a modern Western democracy and rely on laws. Laws sometimes protect people you personally don't like, but they're universal because that's how laws work.

If you don't like laws and obeying them, you can be like the ISIS boys. Burn your Canadian passport and find a Third world country to live in.
There goes that liberal reasoning that if you don’t like something then you are a bigot, misogynist, racist or any other label you can slap on someone.

Khadr was 16 and didn’t have to lob a grenade at anyone. Anyone who left Canada and went to fight for ISIS should not be allowed back into Canada. It’s not as if they went to Tiennemen Square to protest for free elections and were arrested. They went there to kill and massacre people. This is inexcusable, and reprehensible and I don’t see how anyone can make a case for any of these people to be allowed back knowing what ISIS did. I didn’t suggest killing them or burning my passport. The same way they turned their backs on Canada by join ISIS, Canada should now do the same and leave them there. The world was still prosecuting former Nazis up until a few years ago, are you going to make excuse for former members of SS death squad? there’s no difference other than the uniform & Trudeau being a certified moron.
 

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Finally someone that is trying to do something.
With a quarter of the nearly 200 Canadian members of overseas terrorist groups returning home and at least a dozen more held in Syrian detentions camps, an impending private-members bill will ensure they’re not entitled to benefits enjoyed by law-abiding Ontarians, the Sun has learned.

https://torontosun.com/news/provinc...=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1539995227
More people will back conservatives because of this, anything is better than nothing like the dummy of Trudeau
 

mandrill

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There goes that liberal reasoning that if you don’t like something then you are a bigot, misogynist, racist or any other label you can slap on someone.

Khadr was 16 and didn’t have to lob a grenade at anyone. Anyone who left Canada and went to fight for ISIS should not be allowed back into Canada. It’s not as if they went to Tiennemen Square to protest for free elections and were arrested. They went there to kill and massacre people. This is inexcusable, and reprehensible and I don’t see how anyone can make a case for any of these people to be allowed back knowing what ISIS did. I didn’t suggest killing them or burning my passport. The same way they turned their backs on Canada by join ISIS, Canada should now do the same and leave them there. The world was still prosecuting former Nazis up until a few years ago, are you going to make excuse for former members of SS death squad? there’s no difference other than the uniform & Trudeau being a certified moron.

Khadr was 16 and under the influence of his father. And he got railroaded at his "trial" and was held in Gitmo for a decade or so and tortured. Even if the guy was SS, I would have given him a pass on that stuff.

Trudeau gave him the award because a court would have given him twice as much. Now I know that you are personally smarter than any judge, including the judges on the Supreme Court. In fact, you probably have 65 law degrees sitting on your wall right now. But the REAL judges - including all those judges appointed by Harper and the Tories who in fact made up the majority of the bench - are the ones who actually make the law in this country.

So I guess your legal opinion doesn't count for much.
 

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Omar Ahmed Sayid Khadr (born September 19, 1986) is a Canadian who was detained by the United States at Guantanamo Bay for ten years, from the age of 16, during which he pleaded guilty to the murder of U.S. Army Sergeant 1st Class Christopher Speer and other charges.[1][2] He later appealed his conviction, claiming that he falsely pleaded guilty so that he could return to Canada.[3][4][5] Khadr sued the Canadian government for infringing his rights under the Charter of Rights and Freedoms; this lawsuit was settled in 2017 with a $10.5 million (USD 8 million) payment and an apology by the federal government.[6]

Born in Canada, Khadr was taken to Afghanistan by his father, who was affiliated with Al-Qaeda and other terrorist organizations. On July 27, 2002, at age 15, Khadr was severely wounded during fighting between U.S. soldiers and Taliban fighters in the village of Ayub Kheyl; Khadr is alleged to have thrown the grenade that killed Speer.[7] After he was captured and detained at the Bagram Airfield, he was sent to the Guantanamo Bay detention camps in Cuba. During his detention, Khadr was interrogated by both Canadian and US intelligence officers.

After eight years in detention, Khadr pleaded guilty in October 2010 to "murder in violation of the laws of war" and four other charges at a hearing before a United States military commission.[8][9][10][11][12] The charges were filed under the Military Commission Act of 2006 and considered under US law to be war crimes, although the act was not in place at the time the alleged offenses took place.[13][14][15][16][17] Khadr agreed to an eight-year sentence with the possibility of a transfer to Canada after a minimum of one year.[18]

According to the UN, Khadr was the first person since World War II to be prosecuted in a military commission for war crimes committed while still a minor. His conviction and sentence were denounced by some civil rights groups and the United Nations Special Representative for Children and Armed Conflict.[19][20]

Meanwhile, early in 2010, the Supreme Court of Canada had ruled that the Canadian government's interrogation of Khadr at Guantanamo Bay "offend[ed] the most basic Canadian standards [of] the treatment of detained youth suspects",[21][22] but stopped short of ordering Khadr's repatriation. However, on September 29, 2012, Khadr returned to Canada to serve the remainder of his sentence in Canadian custody.[23]

Khadr was released on bail in May 2015 (pending an appeal of his U.S. conviction) after the Alberta Court of Appeal refused to block his release as had been requested by the Canadian government.[3] In 2017, the Canadian government announced a $10.5 million dollar settlement with Khadr to recompensate for damages arising from its previous handling of the case.[24] Tabitha Speer, Christopher Speer's widow, filed an application to enforce a US$134 million Utah default civil judgment in Canada.[25]

Canadian government position
Main article: Canadian response to Omar Khadr
A child at a 2008 demonstration demanding Khadr's repatriation

In 2008 Foreign Affairs officials visited Khadr several times. Karim Amégan and Suneeta Millington reported that Khadr was "salvageable" if allowed to return to Canadian society, but that keeping him in the prison would risk radicalizing him.[168] As of January 2009, 64% of Canadians supported repatriating Khadr to Canada,[169] up from 41% in June 2007.[citation needed]

The Wikileaks Cablegate disclosures in 2010 revealed that the Canadian government had decided against seeking Khadr's repatriation, a decision supported by the US. This made it "politically impossible" for the country to accept custody of Uighur former detainees whom the US was unable to return to China.[170] The Wikileaks cables showed strong US interest in Canadian reaction to Khadr's case. Jim Judd, the director of Canada's intelligence agency, expressed his belief that the release of DVD footage of Khadr's interrogation at Guantanamo by Canadian officials, in which he is shown crying, would lead to "knee-jerk anti-Americanism" and "paroxysms of moral outrage, a Canadian specialty".[170]
Supreme Court of Canada repatriation ruling

In April 2009, the Federal Court of Canada ruled again that Khadr's rights under the Charter of Rights and Freedoms had been violated. It concluded that Canada had a "duty to protect" Khadr and ordered the Canadian government to request that the U.S. return him to Canada as soon as possible.[171] In August 2009, the Federal Court of Appeal upheld the decision in a 2–1 ruling.[172] Finally, in January 2010, in a unanimous 9–0 decision, the Supreme Court of Canada ruled that the participation of Canadian officials in Khadr's interrogations at Guantanamo clearly violated his rights under the Charter. In its decision, the Supreme Court referred to the denial of Khadr's legal rights as well as to the use of sleep deprivation techniques to soften him up for interrogation.[173]

The Supreme Court, however, stopped short of ordering the government to seek Khadr's return to Canada. It left it to the government to determine how to exercise its duty to conduct foreign affairs while also upholding its obligation to respect Khadr's constitutional rights.[21][22]
Lead-up to repatriation

Khadr's October 2010 plea deal allowed for a return to Canada after serving one additional year in US custody.

In July 2012, Former Canadian Senator Roméo Dallaire set up a petition asking Public Safety Minister Vic Toews to honour the plea bargain deal Khadr made in 2010 when he was released to Canadian custody. 35,000 citizens signed the petition.[174]

On November 30, 2015, State Department emails from Hillary Clinton's private email account were released which revealed how Clinton and her staff worked with the Canadian Foreign Minister, John Baird, to effect Khadr's return to Canada.[175]
Return to Canada

Khadr was transferred to Canadian custody on September 29, 2012, to serve the remainder of his sentence.[176] He was held at maximum-security prison Millhaven Institution near Bath, Kingston, Ontario, upon his arrival.[177] Under Canadian law, he was eligible for parole in mid-2013.[178] Due to his murder conviction, Khadr was required to be held in maximum security.[179]

On August 13, 2013, Khadr's lawyers, Dennis Edney and Nathan Whitling, filed a brief arguing that under Canada's International Transfer of Offenders Act, it was not legal to hold Khadr in an adult institution, because the eight-year sentence he received from the U.S. military commission could only be interpreted as a youth sentence and he should be detained in a provincial jail rather than a federal prison.[180] Minister of Public Safety Stephen Blaney said, "Omar Khadr pleaded guilty to very serious crimes, including the murder of American army medic Sgt. Christopher Speer. The government of Canada will vigorously defend against any attempted court action to lessen his punishment for these crimes."[181] On December 13, 2013, the Edmonton Journal reported that Kelly Hartle, the warden at the Edmonton maximum security facility, had reclassified Khadr as a medium-security prisoner,[182] and on February 11, 2014, Khadr was transferred to a medium security facility.[183]

In April 2015, The Canadian Press reported that Khadr had been reclassified as a minimum security prisoner.[184]


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mandrill

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Orion, I'm helping you with your knowledge base re Khadr as you're woefully under informed.

Khadr was brought back to Canada by Harper.

Trudeau had nothing to do with bringing Khadr back. It's just another righty urban legend that you think that. Sad....
 
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