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Insidious Von

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There are hundreds of migrants from primarily Honduras moving north eventually to the US border. Trump wants to wipe them out and let Mexico deal with the body parts.

This is a two part problem and it's not about jobs. The first is America's meddling in Central America has turned those countries lawless. They are some of the most violent places outside of Syria. It doesn't help that former Sandinista Daniel Ortega has turned into a Maduro style dictator, stealing food from civilians to feed his army and secret police. The other problem is that climate change has made their homeland hotter with violent storms that destroy shelters. The migrants have no where to go, so they seek sanctuary in more temperate climes: America.

You reap what you sow. Trump is too stupid to figure this out.

https://unfccc.int/news/climate-change-is-a-key-driver-of-migration-and-food-insecurity
 

Smallcock

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Trump is way ahead of you. Those migrants won't make it to the US border. They will be stopped by Mexican or Honduran officials and sent back. When you flex muscle appropriately things get done your way.
 

Zaibetter

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Trump is way ahead of you. Those migrants won't make it to the US border. They will be stopped by Mexican or Honduran officials and sent back. When you flex muscle appropriately things get done your way.
If not they'll find a way to Canada, they know Trudeau the Groper will leave the door open.
 

mandrill

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Trump is way ahead of you. Those migrants won't make it to the US border. They will be stopped by Mexican or Honduran officials and sent back. When you flex muscle appropriately things get done your way.

I doubt it.

The underlying truth here is that this is a hemispheric problem. Central America is now the most violent, crime-ridden and corrupt place on earth (that isn't actually a war zone, I guess). Mexican immigration has dropped way down - partly because of NAFTA and the fact that Mexicans are economically a little better off over the last few years.

Central America otoh is a disaster zone on many different fronts. These migrant trains are going to keep coming because people are desperate. Desperate people do desperate stuff.
 

mandrill

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If not they'll find a way to Canada, they know Trudeau the Groper will leave the door open.

They can't get anywhere close to Canada. Otherwise, they would be far better treated and some would be given asylum.
 

Insidious Von

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Trump is way ahead of you. Those migrants won't make it to the US border. They will be stopped by Mexican or Honduran officials and sent back. When you flex muscle appropriately things get done your way.
You're right Cazzelino, Trump is making the Saudi's quiver in terror, he's a muscular giant. He is America's greatest President and every woman's fantasy.

America is somewhat lucky compared the the massive scale of migration that Europe will face.
 

Ceiling Cat

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There will be a massacre, this may be Trump's Kent State.
 

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It's hard breaking. I love the fack that his base is die hard Christian. I am sure they will get into their heaven. How they forget that God didn't make borders, but rather greedy men.

The first man who, having fenced in a piece of land, said 'This is mine', and found people naïve enough to believe him, that man was the true founder of civil society. From how many crimes, wars, and murders, from how many horrors and misfortunes might not any one have saved mankind, by pulling up the stakes, or filling up the ditch, and crying to his fellows: Beware of listening to this impostor; you are undone if you once forget that the fruits of the earth belong to us all, and the earth itself to nobody.

— Rousseau 1754
 

jcpro

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It's hard breaking. I love the fack that his base is die hard Christian. I am sure they will get into their heaven. How they forget that God didn't make borders, but rather greedy men.

The first man who, having fenced in a piece of land, said 'This is mine', and found people naïve enough to believe him, that man was the true founder of civil society. From how many crimes, wars, and murders, from how many horrors and misfortunes might not any one have saved mankind, by pulling up the stakes, or filling up the ditch, and crying to his fellows: Beware of listening to this impostor; you are undone if you once forget that the fruits of the earth belong to us all, and the earth itself to nobody.

— Rousseau 1754
The fruit of the land belongs to the hands that produced it- in face of adversity, with much sacrifice, perseverance and sweat. Mass migrations are nothing new. Nations move all the time, if anyone would bother to study history.
 

mandrill

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The fruit of the land belongs to the hands that produced it- in face of adversity, with much sacrifice, perseverance and sweat. Mass migrations are nothing new. Nations move all the time, if anyone would bother to study history.

Huh! The last mass migration I read about was in 900 AD.
 

Big Sleazy

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Nobody walks from Central America, across Mexico, to the US border. Especially with wife and kids in tow. So who paid for this and what is the agenda ?
 

Butler1000

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Huh! The last mass migration I read about was in 900 AD.
I guess you weren't paying attention to the news in Europe recently.....
 

Frankfooter

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There are hundreds of migrants from primarily Honduras moving north eventually to the US border. Trump wants to wipe them out and let Mexico deal with the body parts.

This is a two part problem and it's not about jobs. The first is America's meddling in Central America has turned those countries lawless. They are some of the most violent places outside of Syria. It doesn't help that former Sandinista Daniel Ortega has turned into a Maduro style dictator, stealing food from civilians to feed his army and secret police. The other problem is that climate change has made their homeland hotter with violent storms that destroy shelters. The migrants have no where to go, so they seek sanctuary in more temperate climes: America.

You reap what you sow. Trump is too stupid to figure this out.

https://unfccc.int/news/climate-change-is-a-key-driver-of-migration-and-food-insecurity
Its the same crowd who backs the middle east interventions and then is shocked that there are waves of immigrants from places like Syria.
You break the country then you shouldn't be surprised when people want to leave and come somewhere safer.
 

danmand

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It's hard breaking. I love the fack that his base is die hard Christian. I am sure they will get into their heaven. How they forget that God didn't make borders, but rather greedy men.
I sincerely hope there is a specially vile place in hell for the Evangelicals that in God's name support exploitation of the poor people.

Every single time anybody in any Central and South American country has been elected on a program to help the poor people, it has been met with violent interference by USA, most often by inserting a ruthless military dictator.

Of course, Trump's answer to the migrationary pressure is to cut aid. Brilliant.
 

Insidious Von

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The first man who, having fenced in a piece of land, said 'This is mine', and found people naïve enough to believe him, that man was the true founder of civil society. From how many crimes, wars, and murders, from how many horrors and misfortunes might not any one have saved mankind, by pulling up the stakes, or filling up the ditch, and crying to his fellows: Beware of listening to this impostor; you are undone if you once forget that the fruits of the earth belong to us all, and the earth itself to nobody.

— Rousseau 1754
Very interesting that you should bring Rousseau into the discussion. Had the Ancien Regime not broken its promise to the peasants, he may have taken a different path in life. In the later stages of the War of the Spanish Succesion, Louis XIV's army was decimated at the Siege of Torino. He no longer had a professional army to deal with the Allies closing around him. So he rallied the peasants to his cause, he promised that their tax burden would be lightened. The Absolute Monarchy functioned on total taxation of what Victor Hugo called " the noxious poor", while the clergy and nobility enjoyed the high life tax free. With a peasant army he achieved a bloody stalemate at Malplaquet and retained the Spanish Crown for the Bourbon. By the time Rousseau wrote Discourse on Inequality, where the quote is taken from, the Ancien Regime was as incompetent and even more brutally repressive as ever.

Stephen Hawking hypothesized that there may be intelligent life the universe, but they do not want to contact us. Only if humanity avoids melting in a thermal nuclear war, or boiling by turning the Earth into a quasi Venus through climate change, will contact be possible.
 

jcpro

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Huh! The last mass migration I read about was in 900 AD.
Really? Did you forget the AD 1945/46 in Europe? How about the Indian subcontinent during the partition? Jewish mass exodus from the Muslim countries in ME and North Africa?
 

danmand

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You hit someone where it hurts most. That's either done by sanctions or cutting aid.

You have to force a governments hand sometimes, to have some accountability with its own people. These are just people walking.
Not armed military, so there is no excuse for Mexico, or Honduras, to use their own forces to dissolve this march. Not allow it to gain size, or further assist its growth.

Trump is cutting aid, because he doesn't want to send the Military to the boarder. But this faux march is trying to force his hand to do just that.

Refugees and asylum seekers don't wave their nations flags, or chant anti Trump slurs, invaders do. If this was peaceful and people in need, they would carry American flags and ask for help.
to break through a 500 man strong Mexican blockade by force, just shows the lawlessness.

Immigration is a privilege, not a right. The US needs to change its laws.
I am surprised that a smart, articulate women like you are unable to see the connection between the deplorable policies of USA against the people of Central America, and the migration.

Literally every single time somebody has been elected with a program to help the regions poor, he has been met with economic sanctions and assassinations from USA.

The way to stop migrations, as should be clear to all thinking people, is to improve the deplorable conditions for the desperately poor people,

NOT HITTING THEM WHERE IT HURTS THE MOST.

I expected better from you.
 

danmand

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I agree fully with you that improving conditions is key. But that would hold true for countless nations within Africa and South America.
None of which are America burden alone, but certainly the USA is already helping with aid to many places.

So, if the USA is providing funding, and 7,500 people still march away to the USA, then what? Offer more aid or they march? That sounds like extortion.

Why do you feel these nations have no accountability either?
To better spend foreign aid, or to help prevent such a massive march forming on northern neighbors.

What is your proposal to stop this?
The bible says that you shall reap what you sow. The interference by USA in Central America has had devastating results. Most of the current migrants are from Honduras, where USA has supported a brutal military dictatorship that killed bishops etc. You cannot fix the problems from that overnight.

There are two obvious avenues, that would greatly help the poor people in Central America:

1. For the USA to stop supporting reactionary military dictatorships and instead support progressive movements and Governments, that have programs for helping the poor. Actual examples from Central America are Venezuela, Bolivia and Equador.

2. To eradicate the market for cocaine in USA, which is fueling the gang violence in Middle America, Mexico and USA.
 

mandrill

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I am surprised that a smart, articulate women like you are unable to see the connection between the deplorable policies of USA against the people of Central America, and the migration.

Literally every single time somebody has been elected with a program to help the regions poor, he has been met with economic sanctions and assassinations from USA.

The way to stop migrations, as should be clear to all thinking people, is to improve the deplorable conditions for the desperately poor people,


NOT HITTING THEM WHERE IT HURTS THE MOST.

I expected better from you.

Well said, Danmand.
 

mandrill

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The bible says that you shall reap what you sow. The interference by USA in Central America has had devastating results. Most of the current migrants are from Honduras, where USA has supported a brutal military dictatorship that killed bishops etc. You cannot fix the problems from that overnight.

There are two obvious avenues, that would greatly help the poor people in Central America:

1. For the USA to stop supporting reactionary military dictatorships and instead support progressive movements and Governments, that have programs for helping the poor. Actual examples from Central America are Venezuela, Bolivia and Equador.

2. To eradicate the market for cocaine in USA, which is fueling the gang violence in Middle America, Mexico and USA.

Not sure how we're going to do #2 though. Unless cocaine is decriminalized and supply is taken over by the North American health authorities.
 
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