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Pride Toronto opens door for police to march in parade

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A good move, most people I talked to weren't happy with having them out. I believe this was all started by BLM.


Toronto’s Pride Parade has lifted a ban on uniformed police officers participating in the colourful annual event, saying the force was welcome to apply to be a part of next summer’s festivities.

The relationship between Pride Toronto and city police has been tense for the past two years — uniformed officers were banned from the parade in 2017 over concerns of racial profiling, and again this year over criticism the force had not taken the disappearances of several men missing from the city’s gay village seriously.

Pride Toronto said Tuesday the two sides have made progress on conversations related to “policing and institutional power” and said that if police apply to march in the 2019 parade, their request will be granted providing they meet the event’s rules.

“This decision is made in acknowledgment that Pride Toronto can only thrive through commitment to a diversity of efforts,” the organization said in an open letter to the LGBTQ community. “The critical conversations that have been started will continue, fostered through the work of organizations in our community that we trust.”

Toronto Police Chief Mark Saunders said the relationship between police and the LGBTQ community had been strained for a time, and being able to march in the Pride Parade meant a lot to the force.

“We needed to figure out how to move forward. We’re not going to get policing proper unless we establish relationships,” he said. “This is just a start to a much longer journey. We’re not where we need to be yet but as chief I promise you the Toronto police service will do anything and everything we can to get to where we need to be.”
Tensions involving police and the parade broke out in 2016 when members of Black Lives Matter abruptly halted the march to present several demands, among them that uniformed police, their floats and cruisers be excluded.

The group cited tensions between the force and black citizens arising from racial profiling as among the reasons for their demands.

Pride organizers agreed for the next two years, excluding uniformed officers on-duty from marching in the parade.

For this summer’s parade, organizers also cited ongoing anger about perceived police inaction on a slate of disappearances from Toronto’s gay village as a reason police could not participate.

Bruce McArthur currently stands charged of eight counts of first-degree murder in those disappearances.

Pride Toronto acknowledged that Tuesday’s decision to invite police back to the festivities would be controversial.

“For many members of our communities, this decision will feel premature; we may not all see the same signs of a mending relationship,” it said. “Indeed, some of the change is subtle and some just getting underway. We are heartened that the seeds are being planted, but we acknowledge and respect those who will find this decision a difficult one.”

Toronto Mayor John Tory said the building up of trust between the police and the LGBTQ community was well underway.

“The City of Toronto of course is supportive of Pride, and was supportive of the discussions which, I’ll be candid, took a lot longer than I might have liked,” he said. “In the end you have to be patient, you have to be consultative and you have to be determined.”

Toronto’s Pride parade is one of the country’s most colourful and flamboyant outdoor events. This summer’s event saw more than 120 groups march through a part of the city’s downtown, with crowds of onlookers cheering them on.

https://torontosun.com/news/local-news/pride-toronto-opens-door-for-police-to-march-in-parade

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Mr Deeds

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As is always should have been
 

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Bruce Mcarthur didn't help, most of the LGBTQ community approved the temp ban.
There's always been a contentious relationship between this commintiy and The Police.
 

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If you look for it, most communities have a contentious relationship with some part of the LGBT+ communities.

What they did to the police was abhorrent. Even if you don't agree, i can't imagine why they were publicly funded. That kind of reverse discrimination, particularly when public money has so many places of need, is worrisome.
LOL the same everyone has the same issue argument...
Terb has a serious bootlicking problem. The Police were punished for using their positions of power to enforce societal prejudices and they also did a terrible job in dealing with a serial killer that was targeting their community. They should accept their punishment and move on, it was temporary afterall.
 

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I wonder if BLM was involved in negotiating the new plan or if they will protest once again?
 

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Bruce Mcarthur didn't help, most of the LGBTQ community approved the temp ban.
There's always been a contentious relationship between this commintiy and The Police.
That's bullshit.

All of my gay friends thought that the pride organisation had been taken over by radicals and they totally disagreed with banning cops.

I suspect this change of attitude has more to do with the deficit / debt situation that the pride organisation now finds itself in because of the BLM nonsense. I'm going to guess that major corporate sponsors have threatened to walk, maybe even the City of Toronto to pull all of it's free money out, free paid duty cops (which costs over 500k each year), free clean up, free permits, etc. etc.

As to Bruce McArthur, well, he is gay himself and there 8 victims. Do you think that busting a serial killer who kills for fun is easy? It's not a crime of passion where you look for connections to the victim you do realize? McArthur killed for the sport of it to guys where there was no connection (other than gay sex).

How many women did Robert Picton kill before he was apprehended? 30? 40?

How about Clifford Olson. He killed 12 kids.

Or the nurse Elizabeth Wettlaufer. She killed 8 senior citizens and tried to kill a dozen more.

Serial killers are rare, but they do happen and they are not easy to catch and there aren't a lot of clues, Especially when the victims are in a subset of the greater population - like the gay community where people live their gay lifestyles in the shadows.

The cops aren't psychic. They rely on good old fashioned clues and witnesses and when there are none, it's really tough. Your statements are without merit as usual.
 

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I wonder if BLM was involved in negotiating the new plan or if they will protest once again?
Reading between the lines of the first post, I suspect that Pride will place all sorts of constraints on the cops just simply marching in the parade. I suspect that pride has ulterior motives. Namely, they need the money and the cops are a stumbling block. So how do you get the money, but have the cops themselves elect not to participate?

Answer, you come up with some bullshit that is so onerous that the cops simply can't or won't abide by it and they choose to walk away rather than crawl in a parade. So then Pride can say, "Look, we made it known to the cops that they could participate but they (the cops) chose not to. So can I have my cheque now please"

Unless the woman who runs pride - Olivia Nuamah leaves pride or is fired, I severely doubt that she has changed her mind with respect to cops being in pride.
 

james t kirk

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Pride lost 1.3 million dollars in 2017 after the first year where they banned cops.

Prior to that, they had a surpluss of 800 some odd grand, all of which got eaten up by 2017's bad economic performance.

The financial numbers are not out for 2018 (yet), but I suspect that they are as bad or worse than 2017. This is what is motivating Pride, not some sort of genuine form of altruism.

Being assholes towards the cops is not winning them any friends with money. And right now, Pride needs all the wealthy friends it can find because BLM will not be cutting Pride any cheques any time soon.

Always follow the money folks because it will get you to the truth every time.
 

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Same types who used to run Caribana into the ground and come begging for cash.

If I'm the city and sponsors I'd say when they are fully integrated again.
 

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Same types who used to run Caribana into the ground and come begging for cash.

If I'm the city and sponsors I'd say when they are fully integrated again.
Agreed as a taxpayer I wish the bureaucrats has the balls or pussy to say go the f away. You’ve done to the police what others have done to you.
 

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Agreed as a taxpayer I wish the bureaucrats has the balls or pussy to say go the f away. You’ve done to the police what others have done to you.
I don't have a problem finding Pride. I have a problem funding a mismanaged Pride.
 

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I wonder if BLM was involved in negotiating the new plan or if they will protest once again?
I have a feeling they will do something stupid again and intimidate the guys from pride.



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Conil

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Pride Toronto's change of heart on cops is all about the money, stupid!

Hidden between the mumbo-jumbo about “conversations, dialogue, safe spaces, social justice, intersection and having time to heal” in Pride’s statement Tuesday is the real reason why Toronto cops have been deemed good enough to march in next year’s parade.

Basically, Pride admits that banning the police has threatened their very “existence as a publicly-funded, non-profit community organization.”

In other words, it’s not really about starting on the path of “increased cooperation and collaborative action” with the Toronto Police or signs of “new understanding and active commitment” as the Pride statement states (one likely written by executive director Olivia Nuamah.)

After the two-year ban, instigated by the now-MIA “Black Lives Matter” and professional activist/one-trick pony Desmond Cole following the 2016 parade, I still can’t for the life of me understand how the police were uncooperative or lacking in understanding of Toronto’s LGBT community pre-2017.

Oh never mind.

It’s all about the money stupid!
 

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