I'm awaiting the announcement that all of the descendants of Major John Bolling (1676 – 1729) of Virginia are now to be awarded minority status based on the HLS - Elizabeth Warren standard.
Warren Releases DNA Results, Challenges Trump Over Native American Ancestry
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So no, they don't have her family tree most likely.
Then they are guessing and their opinions are as useful as smallcocks opinions on this thread.
Which means the only legit test, the DNA test, shows she isn't lying.
Seriously Aardy? That's the best you could do? No facts presented, no genealogists quoted, just an opinion from an non-expert author. No discussion of examining her family tree or other evidence provided. You claim to be a former lawyer?
That article focuses on culture / enrollment as the definition of being an Indian and refutes lineage / race. From the Cherokee point of view, that's probably legitimate and fair ....... but it's not how most people in the world judge lineage and Warren is only claiming she has Indian blood. Lambert and the band leaders by claiming this as a sovereignty issue, are trying to protect their asses politically and legally against future possible claims and loss of sovereignty.
But it doesn't change the fact that you stated "They are professional genealogists. I would hope that they know how to conduct genealogical research" and you have provided no proof. Aardy, based on your article, I doubt the Cherokee would use genealogists as genealogists focus on family history/blood lines not culture / enrollment.
For me personally, with a percentage Indian blood of less than <.1% she can't morally make the claim, especially since she hasn't embraced the history and culture in her everyday life. Especially when you consider most Americans can claim a higher %. As to whether she can legally for schooling or employment claims I'll leave that to people who understand the law.
"Elizabeth Warren is 0.001% native, therefore she is native.
According to 23andme, blacks in America are about 20% white.
Thus, US blacks are 20,000 times more white than Warren is native.
By Warren-logic, blacks are white and vice versa.
Checkmate, racists."
According to 23andme, blacks in America are about 20% white.
Thus, US blacks are 20,000 times more white than Warren is native.
By Warren-logic, blacks are white and vice versa.
Checkmate, racists."
You do know how professional standard genealogy works don't you? Based upon the above seemingly you don't.
You start with the living person and work backwards through each generation, you don't just take the client's submitted paperwork and accept it at face value, particularly don't you do that when the evidence isn't Laura Crawford was born date & place her parents were X & Y they are both listed on the Dawes Roll or their names are on the Cherokee Emigration Rolls ---- but rather it is: my grandmother told me that. . .. Perhaps your grandmother did tell you and perhaps it is true, but it requires proof.
a) She is a genealogist b) you seemingly didn't explore the site much at all since there is a link "Elizabeth Warren Information" right at the top of the page, linking to numerous articles.
Further, it is not up to me to prove that experts in Cherokee genealogy, who state that she has no Cherokee ancestry are a) genealogists b) professionals. Rather if you are going to argue that the Cherokee Nation don't know what they are writing about, the onus is on you to prove that.
I gave you a place to start, you can do the rest of your research on your own.
Bizarrely enough what she is arguing is "one drop." A concept, which in other contexts is something that U.S. liberals have been arguing against for decades.
Her claim was based on a thing called oral family history passed on from generation to generation, and now it has been proven to a 1 in 1000 degree of error. How scientifically accurate are your Cherokee genealogists? LOL.... I bet you never saw yourself 5 years ago defending the obscene antics of the slimy buffoon now known as 45... but here you are, paying homage to the man who cannot tell the truth.
So you think random genealogists can really declare all racial influences from across the country and with no documents other then what someone like smallcock could find?
Really.
Amazing how they are ignoring history. Next will be calls for mandatory testing so every person's "race" can be established. And your minority percentage will count.
Get rid of the Republicans first. They are just stooges to Trump, and cannot stand up to his constant lies, blatant trigger happy tweets and basically chaos that the Whitehouse is all about. The Trump base have to be educated that they have been brainwashed to the fullest extent.
This is the exact language used by Professor Bustamante:
"Yes, Stanford geneticist Carlos Bustamante tells Warren in the video that "the facts suggest that you absolutely have a Native American ancestor in your pedigree." But the estimates of just how much Native American blood Warren actually posses range from 1/64th to a whopping 1/1024th. Which, um, ain't a lot."
He did not say "more likely". Yes, it is not a lot, but that still means that she has some native Indian heritage as these were her words:
“I’m not enrolled in a tribe, and only tribes determine tribal membership. I understand and respect that distinction,” she says. She does not explicitly call herself American Indian or Native American, instead framing Trump’s attacks as hurtful because they made her mother out to be a liar.
Also:
Warren did not take a commercially available DNA test, but the analysis was done in a similar manner. A private lab in Georgia tested her sample, according to The Boston Globe, and Bustamante, a geneticist who has consulted for DNA-testing companies such as 23andMe, AncestryDNA, and Helix, analyzed the raw data. He compared more than 600,000 markers in her DNA with a database of people who live around the world.
Geneticists, however, have historically had a fraught relationship with American Indian tribes, and few members in North America have given samples for these databases. Instead, Bustamante compared Warren’s DNA with that of indigenous peoples in Mexico, Colombia, and Peru. Critics of Warren have already seized on this to question the validity of her DNA test—ironically, mirroring some of the skepticism of those who have been criticizing Republicans’ insistence that Warren get a DNA test all along.
It's the Dems who are standing in the way because they claim to be progressive when the Leadership is not.
And numerous pundits who claim they are the only game in town.
The brainwashing is in Red vs Blue. That the two party system is the only option.
Why the hell do people when voting have to register as either party or independent? It's the entrenchment of the two parties at the grassroots level.
Both need to fall for a real one to rise.
We are seeing what is playing out today at the Whitehouse. That is why the Republicans must pay the price first. We need the Democrats to take control to ensure that this happens.
Typical Trumpian bullshit. First you say she is evil for repeating her family lore which you all were sure would be disproved by a DNA test. Now she showed Trump was wrong and you still call her evil for daring to prove distant ancestry.
You should just stick to "lock her up".
Your math is pretty poor. It says 6-10 generations. Therefore 1/64 at most and her grandmother could have been 1/16.
Actually what was shown is:
Presuming the non-conventional method used was accurate, the Senator has a lesser percentage of Native American Ancestry than most European Americans.
Harvard University used her self descriptor to avoid Federal pressure to hire minority faculty members.
Had a student abused minority status in the same way, I serious doubt that then Professor Warren would have defended them against expulsion.
Further:
The Senator repeatedly implied that she was the next thing to a Cherokee, it was only when Cherokee Tribal Officials and genealogists pushed back strongly on this, that she started talking about Native American ancestry more generally.
As already stated several times in this thread alone, Genealogists specializing in Cherokee ancestry have repeated said that Elizabeth Warren has no documentable Cherokee ancestry.
These are all plain facts and have nothing to do with what the President has to say.
Presuming the non-conventional method used was accurate, the Senator has a lesser percentage of Native American Ancestry than most European Americans.
Harvard University used her self descriptor to avoid Federal pressure to hire minority faculty members.
Had a student abused minority status in the same way, I serious doubt that then Professor Warren would have defended them against expulsion.
Further:
The Senator repeatedly implied that she was the next thing to a Cherokee, it was only when Cherokee Tribal Officials and genealogists pushed back strongly on this, that she started talking about Native American ancestry more generally.
As already stated several times in this thread alone, Genealogists specializing in Cherokee ancestry have repeated said that Elizabeth Warren has no documentable Cherokee ancestry.
These are all plain facts and have nothing to do with what the President has to say.
When has Trump shown that he can trace any of his ancestry back to the Sweden. He and his father have blatantly lied about it. At least Warren has shown some ancestral background whether it was 6 to 10 generations ago!!
You are probably Mongolian. Putin is also probably Mongolian.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongol_invasion_of_Europe
Question: Who is that white woman who claims to be black? She said she self-indentifies as black so she is black.
I'm the whitest guy you'll ever meet, and in my profile I'm apparently 0.5% Pacific Islander. Perhaps that explains my love of Filipino ladies.
KK
