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CSIS sees ‘significant’ jump in far-right activity online

By ALEX BOUTILIER
Ottawa Bureau
Mon., Oct. 8, 2018

In a three-part series, the Star looks at the rise of white nationalist and right-wing extremist groups in Canada, and what authorities are doing to identify and suppress these threats. This is part 3. To read the first part, click here and to read the second part, click here.

OTTAWA—One month after the deadly shooting rampage at the Grande mosquée de Québec, Canada’s spy agency quietly put together a “preliminary assessment” of the threat far-right extremists pose in Canada.

The report, heavily censored and stamped “SECRET,” noted right-wing extremism and violence is nothing new in Canada — in fact, it was present in the earliest days of colonization.

The Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS) traces far-right violence back to race riots in Nova Scotia in the 1780s, racial segregation in Ontario schools in the 1840s and violence against Chinese and Japanese immigrants at the turn of the 20th century, “not to mention” generations of discrimination against Indigenous peoples.

“At the heart of all right-wing extremism is hatred and fear,” CSIS wrote in an analysis obtained by the Star under access to information law.

But in recent years, the report noted, the target appears to have shifted.

“Within the range of groups is a subset which either overtly, or under the guise of non-violent, cultural or religious preservation, focus their online hate towards Islam, Muslim immigrants, multiculturalism and those Canadian politicians who are seen as supporting Muslim-friendly legislation.”

The attack at the Quebec mosque in January 2017, which left six people dead and many others injured, prompted CSIS to reopen an ongoing investigation into far-right extremism, just one year after declaring the far right a “public order threat” to be dealt with by police, rather than a national security threat to be handled by intelligence agencies.

The agency’s assessment recognizes that Canada’s far-right movement is changing. Hate crimes have been steadily rising, primarily targeting Jewish and Muslim communities. While many of the far-right groups identified by CSIS a decade ago have disbanded, “numerous” incidents of right-wing extremist violence have been recorded since then.

And there has been a “significant growth” of online groups “focusing on a broad range of extreme right-wing positions, including white supremacy.”

CSIS declined multiple interview requests over the past three months, and did not specifically address a number of questions provided by the Star in September.

But the agency’s findings come as little surprise to researchers and experts who have long warned about a more active and emboldened far-right movement in Canada, the United States and Europe.


“There is a misconception that the far right is not a threat anymore, and that these groups don’t have power anymore,” said Ludovica Di Giorgi, an expert on the far right with Moonshot CVE, a U.K.-based counter-extremism and research outfit.

“These groups have influence and the far right is very much a threat still.”

For two weeks in September, Moonshot tracked far-right web searches in Canada using the company’s own proprietary software, which tracks the internet’s seamy underbelly.

The data, provided exclusively to the Star, provides for the first time a quantitative snapshot of online interest in the far right in Canada. The numbers suggest there’s cause for greater attention.

Between Sept. 11 and Sept. 25, Moonshot tracked a total of 5,214 far-right searches in Canada. The vast majority — roughly 88 per cent — focused on neo-Nazi (55 per cent) and white supremacist websites (33 per cent). Search terms included David Duke, the former leader of the Ku Klux Klan in the United States; popular neo-Nazi phrases and code words; extreme right bands; and tattoos of swastikas or other white supremacist imagery.

Over the weeks Moonshot tracked, Ontario had the most far-right searches in Canada relative to the population — almost 18 searches per 100,000 people.

Di Giorgi cautioned that two weeks is a relatively small sample, but said Canada had a higher number of far-right searches per capita over that period than Moonshot typically sees in the U.S.

Even after the deadly violence at the Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville, Va., in August 2017 brought the far right under mainstream scrutiny, Di Giorgi said right-wing extremist groups have had a largely uncontested platform on the internet.

“On the jihadist side (of extremism), you have no controversy over the fact that their content must be taken down. On the far right, there is controversy over whether that content classifies as content that should be taken down and should not be consumed by audiences across the world,” Di Giorgi told the Star in an interview.

“Their content is still available. It’s easy to find. They still have a presence on social media platforms. They’ve even created their own platforms … They use them to co-ordinate; they use them to organize, to spread their propaganda.

“It becomes even more problematic when these spaces are uncontested.”

What to do about these platforms has become a key question for Canadian law enforcement and intelligence agencies that, even if they acknowledge the threat right-wing extremism poses, have differing opinions on how to counter it.

James Malizia, the RCMP’s assistant commissioner of federal policing, suggested that encryption — a digital tool that lets citizens, businesses and governments secure their messages, transactions and sensitive data — is also providing cover for extremist groups.

While police agencies have long argued they must be able to bypass encryption, that may be impossible due to the proliferation of sophisticated encryption programs. Civil liberties advocates and technologists have also argued it would make everyone less safe by creating a back door for hackers or hostile governments. But encryption also undoubtedly makes police investigations more complicated.

“I think the issue of online activity, where some of it is either conducted on closed chats or encrypted … it certainly does not allow us the opportunity to be able to monitor what’s going on within those areas,” Malizia told the Star in a recent interview.

Beyond the technical issues is a broader, philosophical question: Do we really want police and intelligence agencies monitoring civilian conversations online? Should far-right — or far-left — groups be subjected to that level of scrutiny, however odious their beliefs?

On the other side of that question is the fact that two of the worst mass killings in recent Canadian history — Alexandre Bissonnette’s attack on the Quebec City mosque, and Alek Minassian’s van rampage in Toronto in April this year — involved some connection to the darker corners of the internet.

Bissonnette’s anti-immigration sentiments appear to have been stoked by far-right figures in the United States. Minassian reportedly identified as “involuntarily celibate,” or “incel,” a misogynistic and nihilistic subculture that lives on the same kind of message boards as the extreme right.

If radicalization is happening in those spaces, and people are being killed as a result, is that not a national security concern?

Canadians “need to think long and hard about what we want our national security services to do in this space,” said Stephanie Carvin, who researches national security and law at Carleton University.

“Because I personally am uncomfortable with CSIS patrolling the internet,” said Carvin, who previously served as a terrorism analyst at CSIS.

“That being said, there is no question that the internet does seem to be a necessary but insufficient ingredient in these radicalization and mobilization-to-violence cases. I think going forward, we need to really think about what are the costs of greater national security (presence) in these spaces.”

https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2018/10/05/csis-sees-significant-jump-in-far-right-activity-online.html
 

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So it's just based on searches? Someone chooses to investigate these idiots qualifies? How about research for university papers, news articles, and the like? Are they in this pot?

5000 in two weeks breaks down to under 400 per day. In a population of 35 million. And doesn't say if this is individuals or just individual searches.

Thanks for the article though. It just shows how tiny the footprint they actually have.
 

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CSIS sees ‘significant’ jump in far-right activity online

By ALEX BOUTILIER
Ottawa Bureau
Mon., Oct. 8, 2018

In a three-part series, the Star looks at the rise of white nationalist and right-wing extremist groups in Canada, and what authorities are doing to identify and suppress these threats. This is part 3. To read the first part, click here and to read the second part, click here.

OTTAWA—One month after the deadly shooting rampage at the Grande mosquée de Québec, Canada’s spy agency quietly put together a “preliminary assessment” of the threat far-right extremists pose in Canada.

The report, heavily censored and stamped “SECRET,” noted right-wing extremism and violence is nothing new in Canada — in fact, it was present in the earliest days of colonization.

The Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS) traces far-right violence back to race riots in Nova Scotia in the 1780s, racial segregation in Ontario schools in the 1840s and violence against Chinese and Japanese immigrants at the turn of the 20th century, “not to mention” generations of discrimination against Indigenous peoples.

“At the heart of all right-wing extremism is hatred and fear,” CSIS wrote in an analysis obtained by the Star under access to information law.

But in recent years, the report noted, the target appears to have shifted.

“Within the range of groups is a subset which either overtly, or under the guise of non-violent, cultural or religious preservation, focus their online hate towards Islam, Muslim immigrants, multiculturalism and those Canadian politicians who are seen as supporting Muslim-friendly legislation.”

The attack at the Quebec mosque in January 2017, which left six people dead and many others injured, prompted CSIS to reopen an ongoing investigation into far-right extremism, just one year after declaring the far right a “public order threat” to be dealt with by police, rather than a national security threat to be handled by intelligence agencies.

The agency’s assessment recognizes that Canada’s far-right movement is changing. Hate crimes have been steadily rising, primarily targeting Jewish and Muslim communities. While many of the far-right groups identified by CSIS a decade ago have disbanded, “numerous” incidents of right-wing extremist violence have been recorded since then.

And there has been a “significant growth” of online groups “focusing on a broad range of extreme right-wing positions, including white supremacy.”

CSIS declined multiple interview requests over the past three months, and did not specifically address a number of questions provided by the Star in September.

But the agency’s findings come as little surprise to researchers and experts who have long warned about a more active and emboldened far-right movement in Canada, the United States and Europe.


“There is a misconception that the far right is not a threat anymore, and that these groups don’t have power anymore,” said Ludovica Di Giorgi, an expert on the far right with Moonshot CVE, a U.K.-based counter-extremism and research outfit.

“These groups have influence and the far right is very much a threat still.”

For two weeks in September, Moonshot tracked far-right web searches in Canada using the company’s own proprietary software, which tracks the internet’s seamy underbelly.

The data, provided exclusively to the Star, provides for the first time a quantitative snapshot of online interest in the far right in Canada. The numbers suggest there’s cause for greater attention.

Between Sept. 11 and Sept. 25, Moonshot tracked a total of 5,214 far-right searches in Canada. The vast majority — roughly 88 per cent — focused on neo-Nazi (55 per cent) and white supremacist websites (33 per cent). Search terms included David Duke, the former leader of the Ku Klux Klan in the United States; popular neo-Nazi phrases and code words; extreme right bands; and tattoos of swastikas or other white supremacist imagery.

Over the weeks Moonshot tracked, Ontario had the most far-right searches in Canada relative to the population — almost 18 searches per 100,000 people.

Di Giorgi cautioned that two weeks is a relatively small sample, but said Canada had a higher number of far-right searches per capita over that period than Moonshot typically sees in the U.S.

Even after the deadly violence at the Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville, Va., in August 2017 brought the far right under mainstream scrutiny, Di Giorgi said right-wing extremist groups have had a largely uncontested platform on the internet.

“On the jihadist side (of extremism), you have no controversy over the fact that their content must be taken down. On the far right, there is controversy over whether that content classifies as content that should be taken down and should not be consumed by audiences across the world,” Di Giorgi told the Star in an interview.

“Their content is still available. It’s easy to find. They still have a presence on social media platforms. They’ve even created their own platforms … They use them to co-ordinate; they use them to organize, to spread their propaganda.

“It becomes even more problematic when these spaces are uncontested.”

What to do about these platforms has become a key question for Canadian law enforcement and intelligence agencies that, even if they acknowledge the threat right-wing extremism poses, have differing opinions on how to counter it.

James Malizia, the RCMP’s assistant commissioner of federal policing, suggested that encryption — a digital tool that lets citizens, businesses and governments secure their messages, transactions and sensitive data — is also providing cover for extremist groups.

While police agencies have long argued they must be able to bypass encryption, that may be impossible due to the proliferation of sophisticated encryption programs. Civil liberties advocates and technologists have also argued it would make everyone less safe by creating a back door for hackers or hostile governments. But encryption also undoubtedly makes police investigations more complicated.

“I think the issue of online activity, where some of it is either conducted on closed chats or encrypted … it certainly does not allow us the opportunity to be able to monitor what’s going on within those areas,” Malizia told the Star in a recent interview.

Beyond the technical issues is a broader, philosophical question: Do we really want police and intelligence agencies monitoring civilian conversations online? Should far-right — or far-left — groups be subjected to that level of scrutiny, however odious their beliefs?

On the other side of that question is the fact that two of the worst mass killings in recent Canadian history — Alexandre Bissonnette’s attack on the Quebec City mosque, and Alek Minassian’s van rampage in Toronto in April this year — involved some connection to the darker corners of the internet.

Bissonnette’s anti-immigration sentiments appear to have been stoked by far-right figures in the United States. Minassian reportedly identified as “involuntarily celibate,” or “incel,” a misogynistic and nihilistic subculture that lives on the same kind of message boards as the extreme right.

If radicalization is happening in those spaces, and people are being killed as a result, is that not a national security concern?

Canadians “need to think long and hard about what we want our national security services to do in this space,” said Stephanie Carvin, who researches national security and law at Carleton University.

“Because I personally am uncomfortable with CSIS patrolling the internet,” said Carvin, who previously served as a terrorism analyst at CSIS.

“That being said, there is no question that the internet does seem to be a necessary but insufficient ingredient in these radicalization and mobilization-to-violence cases. I think going forward, we need to really think about what are the costs of greater national security (presence) in these spaces.”

https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2018/10/05/csis-sees-significant-jump-in-far-right-activity-online.html
Toronto star is known as aks " RED STAR"

They are full of shit!!

PS OAGRE IS ON IGNORE LISTS!
 

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So it's just based on searches? Someone chooses to investigate these idiots qualifies? ....
Yes, it's based on searches. Did the article not make that clear?


Of course this is just one data point that complements other star reports on extremism.
 

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Yes, it's based on searches. Did the article not make that clear?


Of course this is just one data point that complements other star reports on extremism.
I was being incredulous. The perameters are so vague that the conclusion is suspect. As I later explained.
 

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However, when you make statements such as:

"The Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS) traces far-right violence back to race riots in Nova Scotia in the 1780s, racial segregation in Ontario schools in the 1840s and violence against Chinese and Japanese immigrants at the turn of the 20th century, “not to mention” generations of discrimination against Indigenous peoples."

This is the sort of over the top stupidity/silliness that destroys the important points about Nazi type extremism they are attempting to make.

Just like when the Southern Poverty Law Center decided to label Sons of Confederate Veterans as a 'far right group.' ~~ Their credibility has never really recovered a decade and a half later.
 

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I was being incredulous. The perameters are so vague that the conclusion is suspect. As I later explained.
Do you have any studies that call this finding to doubt?
Or are you just trying to push your confirmation bias on us?
 

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Do you have any studies that call this finding to doubt?
Or are you just trying to push your confirmation bias on us?
There isn't it appears to be a legit study that says this articles assertions are true. I'd say that's the case line.
 

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Heavily redacted report without followup available. So lots of supposition on their part.
There's enough info to prove their claim, along with other research. However, the whole picture isn't revealed. If there is anything countering this, feel free to share.
 

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There's enough info to prove their claim, along with other research. However, the whole picture isn't revealed. If there is anything countering this, feel free to share.
The tiny sampling, low number of hits, lack of information on what they consider a dangerous site, lack of information on searches by number of searchers, tiny window of time released.

That imo equals too vague to consider as factual.
 

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Butler, you yourself have notorious anti Muslim views. You hate them. You oppose them immigrating to Canada. You continually tell us that when they reach a certain % of the population, they will spring into action and force us to adopt their ways. All without a shred of proof.

You participate in every anti Muslim thread, giving vent to your own paranoia and dislike of Muslims. Sounds like CSIS and The Star have you and Porn Addict (who is a less intelligent version of you) well figured out. People like you are a threat to this country. You're probably under surveillance by CSIS right now, as you talk to your buddies about "the Muslim Threat". I'm not surprised that you rush to minimize the article. It probably embarrasses and frightens you.

 

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Toronto star is known as aks " RED STAR"

They are full of shit!!

PS OAGRE IS ON IGNORE LISTS!

Porn, conil figured out how to put "I have oagre on ignore" in his signature, so everyone can see it always and so he doesn't have to type it every time. Ask him how to do that. It will save you time and trouble.
 

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Butler, you yourself have notorious anti Muslim views. You hate them. You oppose them immigrating to Canada. You continually tell us that when they reach a certain % of the population, they will spring into action and force us to adopt their ways. All without a shred of proof.

You participate in every anti Muslim thread, giving vent to your own paranoia and dislike of Muslims. Sounds like CSIS and The Star have you and Porn Addict (who is a less intelligent version of you) well figured out. People like you are a threat to this country. You're probably under surveillance by CSIS right now, as you talk to your buddies about "the Muslim Threat". I'm not surprised that you rush to minimize the article. It probably embarrasses and frightens you.

Uh no. And I highly doubt I'm in any lists considering the ease I make customs and immigration when I travel.

What I oppose is Islam in any form that espouses, misogyny, homophobia, and exclusiveness. As I would oppose any other religious or political belief system that doesn't match with Liberal Western Values.

I'm amused you think I'm a threat for doing nothing more then exercising free speech. No where do I call for violence. Nor use hateful terms. I just express my opinion on a belief system who's values I oppose.

No different then denouncing National Socialism, Communism, Kleptocrasy, and other forms that place the State above the individual.
 

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Uh no. And I highly doubt I'm in any lists considering the ease I make customs and immigration when I travel.

What I oppose is Islam in any form that espouses, misogyny, homophobia, and exclusiveness. As I would oppose any other religious or political belief system that doesn't match with Liberal Western Values.

I'm amused you think I'm a threat for doing nothing more then exercising free speech. No where do I call for violence. Nor use hateful terms. I just express my opinion on a belief system who's values I oppose.

No different then denouncing National Socialism, Communism, Kleptocrasy, and other forms that place the State above the individual.

Its quite different.
All you need to do is to try and replace the word 'Muslim' in one of your posts with one of any of these groups to see how offensive your views really are.
Let me know if you'd like some examples.
 

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Its quite different.
All you need to do is to try and replace the word 'Muslim' in one of your posts with one of any of these groups to see how offensive your views really are.
Let me know if you'd like some examples.
You don't replace it with Muslim. You replace it with Islam.

Muslims are people, Islam is a belief system. I can criticize a belief system. Just like someone can criticize the Catholic Church.

Feel free.
 
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