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Hot Take: Nylander Will No Longer Be A Leaf (next year)....and That's Okay

Malibuk

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There is no way to know if there is any actual cap savings in the rest of the years without knowing what the Leafs were prepared to pay from the beginning.
Suppose the Leafs were willing to pay 6 years at $7 million per year.
Doing the deal on Dec 1, the cap hit is still $7 million per year.
It is just in the first year that the $7 million is prorated for that whole year for a higher cap hit but that doesn`t mean the Leafs were willing to spend this prorated money from the beginning over the course of the contract.
 

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I see your point. So you're saying the Leafs basically got screwed and lost cap space this year for nothing.
 

Malibuk

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I see your point. So you're saying the Leafs basically got screwed and lost cap space this year for nothing.
Yes and that`s why they were saying that there were so few teams that could afford the Nylander cap hit this season.

Nylander held out and ended up with a 2 month paid vacation.
 

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If he's overpaid he wouldn't be a good trade target. Why would a gm want an overpaid player ?

He'll need to have much better stats to justify his salary. If he continues on the same pace, the Leafs will have a problem in their hands. I expect the Leafs will now give him all the pp minutes he can handle as they want to see his numbers go up too.
The overpaid is relative to 20 goals and 60 points and no team would want that for $7 million but that is why they signed him based on potential and if he scores close to 80, it will be easy to trade then.

With around 50 games, he needs to score 15 goals and 35 points to make this season seem like he is building and growing as a player.
 

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In his first Toronto interview he feels because the Leafs are doing so well there is less pressure for him to perform. I think this response can rub people the wrong way. He knows there'll be pressure coming from the media. All players are evaluated based on cap hit so now the score cards are out big time.
 

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In his first Toronto interview he feels because the Leafs are doing so well there is less pressure for him to perform. I think this response can rub people the wrong way.
It seems like a perfectly logical approach by him and should not be difficult for anybody to understand. He doesn't have to come in and be a saviour. He just has to play his game and meld in with the rest of the team. He doesn't have to squeeze the stick too hard.
 

bmwquay

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Or one can interptret it as I don't have to exert myself.

Good writeup on the Lievo trade. There are at least 3 current Marlies who can do what Lievo did for the Leafs who are RFA's. Also sending a defenseman down can disrupt current D development in Marlies and Gauthier is 23 a center a position Leafs have little depth. Dubas also got a young 22 asset in return who is doing well in minors. Comparing to Moore and Marchment who under excellent development program are now on cusp of making Leafs
 

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Or one can interptret it as I don't have to exert myself.
There is a difference between working hard and staying within yourself as opposed to trying to do to much.

I suspect his teammates are not as petty as you are painting them to be.
 

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IMO, good for him! Its just like any other human being. Im sure if most of you had the chance to bargain for a better salary you would not hesitate to do it.
 

bmwquay

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There is a difference between working hard and staying within yourself as opposed to trying to do to much.

I suspect his teammates are not as petty as you are painting them to be.
The reporters had the same reaction I did. They immediately followed up with another question to which Nylander gave the same standard answer again that pressure will come from the media and within himself.

There is peer and leadership pressure. He's got the money. Guaranteed for 6 years. What is the motivation to put in the effort now. Only within himself.

Look at Rielly and Gardiner's contract now. They are bargains. It will be like that for Willy a bargain contract.
 

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The reporters had the same reaction I did. They immediately followed up with another question to which Nylander gave the same standard answer again that pressure will come from the media and within himself.

There is peer and leadership pressure. He's got the money. Guaranteed for 6 years. What is the motivation to put in the effort now. Only within himself.

Look at Rielly and Gardiner's contract now. They are bargains. It will be like that for Willy a bargain contract.
Go ahead and argue with yourself. Your supposition is extreme speculation and far-fetched.
 

bmwquay

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Well, I'm certainly not arguing with you cause I have no idea who you are and don't care to know.
 

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Hot Take: Nylander will not be traded....and that's OK.
Fair enough. But unless you believe in Dubas and his ability to sign the other two plus maybe Gardiner and all the other signing, the Nylander contract is trade ready!

A reasonable AAV and the Leafs are paying him 17 million by July so that means the cap is high but the actual cash due is low.

Great for so many teams that have room and are poor like a third of the bottom dwelling teams.

He will be easy to move. Unless he can’t be an improved player. Which is unlikely.

He will be the easy solution to a few potential cap problems and we will see how genius Dubas is.
 

bmwquay

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Dubas said he can and he will with the core and referencing Nylander. Don't think he made any such reference with players like Gardner, Kapanen, and such. What makes you think it's Willy going rather than the likes of Gardner or Kapanen? Or both.
 

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Whatever the problems were with the defence last year, it's only fair to say that the forwards had to share some blame. Having played 28 games so far this season without Nylander, Bozak and JVR, 3 of the top 9 forwards, the Leafs' defence has improved to be one the top 3 teams in the entire league in goals against.

Again there are other contributing factors but I'd say the replacements for these players have been doing a better job collectively. Both Matthews and Marner have made good improvements on their 2 way game and I'd only hope that Nylander will do the same.
 

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Tavaras Marner Hyman is the shut down line. Hyman has all those empty net goals for a reason. Tavaras matched up against Crosby. They play very similar games and styles. Matthews against Malkin also similar in size and style. That leaves Kadri to play more of an offensive game against a weaker 3rd line.
 

Johnny Utah

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Dubas said he can and he will with the core and referencing Nylander. Don't think he made any such reference with players like Gardner, Kapanen, and such. What makes you think it's Willy going rather than the likes of Gardner or Kapanen? Or both.
I wouldn’t say it is Willie, since Dubas half promised him.

I am just saying a promise has to break somewhere and I think he may find himself in such a tough situation that let’s say, Gardiner signs for cheap and trying to sign AM and MM may put Dubas in a position where he’d have to hear offers and the best offers he is going to get is for Willie.

Dubas does not want to get rid of Willie. He gave it for an additional half mil because he needs him to sign the other two. However, the tough times later may force his hand. I see Gardiner signing for a reasonable amount and next year or shortly after is when the pinch for Nylander occurs.
 
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