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World Series 2018 Post Season

shack

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More teams that had a payroll middle of the pack or lower made the playoffs then teams with higher payrolls.
Strange, but I only see Boston and LA left. Top end of payrolls.

It takes money to make money and you need to use the resources you have. Rogers has lots of resources but are run like a small market team. That is what is the most frustrating.
 

black booty lover

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At the risk of repeating myself, if they at least make some signings they maintain fan interest (or not lose as much of it), and get better attendance and viewership. They would also show the fans that they care about giving us some value for our entertainment dollar (aren't they raising prices?). Right now, management is reviled in the city. They need to do some PR work.

I am not sure why you keep giving Rogers a pass. They have to be one of the richest owners in the league. I looked it up. Rogers is worth over $30B, revenues of $14B and profits of around $1.5B annually. The richest owner in MLB is in Frisco. He is worth $6B. Steinbrenner is worth over $3B and the Boston owner about $2.5B.

Your argument makes no sense at all. The Jays have incredibly deep pockets and the WHOLE country is their market. They should run roughshod over the other teams with their financial resources. And as far as the shareholders, I believe that they were much happier when AA spent money, the team was good and the stadium was packed like it was 1992 and people couldn't wait for the telecasts to begin.

So please, give up this narrative of yours that Rogers can't spend money. It is hogwash. They might not want to, but they sure as hell can. Not doing so means that they don't give a shit about the fans and hopefully, if they maintain this approach, they will lose a few hundred thousand more in attendance and decreased viewership. Shareholders, indeed.

I'm not give Rogers a "pass". What I'm saying is, publicly traded companies are run different than private owners, so please stop your narrative that "they are not". Your theory about signing high talent will put asses in seats in %100 accurate. Winning puts asses in the seats. You can both Manny Machado and Brice Harper this year, and it might drum up some hype and get people excited, but by the All-star break if this team is near the bottom, you'll have the same interest and attendance as you did this year.

Now Shack, at the risk of repeating myself, I've read your argument over and over again so I know where you stand. While I think you have a high baseball I.Q, and I don't totally discredit your thought process, I also think the big wigs at Rogers are smart people, and like him or not, I think Shapiro is a smart man. So having that said, they probably have a reason as to why they don't think just throwing money at the problem is the answer. There's probably more to this than we know or understand. I don't think it's a easy as "spend money and you'll make money". You could be right, and maybe it is that easy, but I don't think it's that easy, and I certainly don't think it's as easy for a company like Rogers to spend money as it is for a private owned company where owners care more about winning then making money.
 

black booty lover

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Strange, but I only see Boston and LA left. Top end of payrolls.

It takes money to make money and you need to use the resources you have. Rogers has lots of resources but are run like a small market team. That is what is the most frustrating.

I noticed how you conveniently left out a bunch of other teams that made the playoffs: Milwaukee, Colorado, Arizona, Cleveland, Atlanta, and wait for it....Oakland. All middle pack to lower end payroll teams. I left out the Astro's as they had the 9th highest payroll so that's starting to get up there.
 

shack

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I don't think it's a easy as "spend money and you'll make money". You could be right, and maybe it is that easy, but I don't think it's that easy, and I certainly don't think it's as easy for a company like Rogers to spend money as it is for a private owned company where owners care more about winning then making money.
I'm not saying to buy a winner. I am saying spend enough to give the fans, the people who pay the bills, something to cheer for. Show that you care about the fans even a bit.

Question:If the Jays had a better team this year, say 84 wins, do you think attendance would have been better?
 

shack

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I noticed how you conveniently left out a bunch of other teams that made the playoffs: Milwaukee, Colorado, Arizona, Cleveland, Atlanta, and wait for it....Oakland. All middle pack to lower end payroll teams. I left out the Astro's as they had the 9th highest payroll so that's starting to get up there.
I wonder how many times those mid-low level payrolls would make the playoffs in the AL East.
 

Phil C. McNasty

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We got 2 Dutchies on the field in World Series, how cool is that??

#Jansen
#Bogaerts
#SmallCountry
#Netherlands
#VeryProudToBeDutch
 

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awesome trade:pearce (WS MVP) and cash for a minor league infield prospect, as usual hind sight beats foresight!
 

Perry Mason

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Steve Pierce WS MVP
Another fine example of something I have frequently asked here: Why is it that so many good players turn into journeymen when they join the Blue Jays?

Or, in this case, it could be asked the other way around: How is it that a journeyman with the BJ's turns into WS MVP when he leaves the BJ's?

Perry
 

Phil C. McNasty

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Another fine example of something I have frequently asked here: Why is it that so many good players turn into journeymen when they join the Blue Jays?

Perry
It starts with a G
 

Samranchoi

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Pearce is an UFA now. Exactly what would he have done with Jays in 2018. That is right. Jays got what they could for him and in the end he is better off because just maybe he can turn his time with Boston into a half decent contract. Lest we forget, Pearce has played for EVERY AL team. Maybe he can go for every team the second team the second time around
 

Nad Smith

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Steve Pearce is a journeyman who has distinguished himself at the best time possible. He always seemed like a class guy. He also has a penchant for getting hot...remember the week he hit 2 walk off grand slams?
 

Perry Mason

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Steve Pearce is a journeyman who has distinguished himself at the best time possible.
That, to me, has always been one of the fascinating, fairy tale like, attractions of baseball: the game is a unique stage on which to watch, in real time, a nobody become a hero, even famous, with one swing of a bat! Mythical stuff. In baseball, it is something that on any given day almost any hitter can do.

Perry
 

Big Rig

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That, to me, has always been one of the fascinating, fairy tale like, attractions of baseball: the game is a unique stage on which to watch, in real time, a nobody become a hero, even famous, with one swing of a bat! Mythical stuff. In baseball, it is something that on any given day almost any hitter can do.

Perry
Poetic but same in other sports. Henderson scores wins Russian series is a hockey example.

Pierce is a hot/cold hitter. He got hot at the right time.

That makes me wonder what causes hot/cold hitting. Batters will say they see the ball better. For example, they can pick up the ball's spin and react to a breaking ball. It is as though time has slowed down. Other athletes say same thing. Has the perception of time actually slowed down and the world moves slower for them? Fascinating.
 

gcostanza

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...Lest we forget, Pearce has played for EVERY AL team...
No he has not.
He's played for every A.L.E. team, the A.L.W. Houston Astros, and the Pittsburgh Pirates.
 
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