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U.S. congressman warns Canada's NAFTA team that time is running out

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U.S. congressman warns Canada's NAFTA team that time is running out

WASHINGTON -- Republicans in the U.S. Congress are ratcheting up the pressure on Canada to get a deal done on the North American Free Trade Agreement.

In a statement released by the U.S. website Politico, House majority whip Steve Scalise delivers a stern warning about "growing frustration" in Congress with what he calls Canada's "negotiating tactics."

Scalise, who represents the state of Louisiana, says the Canadian government does not appear to be either ready or willing to "make the concessions" necessary to reach what the statement describes as a fair and high-standard agreement.

And he suggests that time is running out for Canada to join the agreement already reached in principle between the U.S. and Mexico.

Foreign Affairs Minister Chrystia Freeland, who is expected to resume talks with U.S. counterpart Robert Lighthizer on Wednesday, had not seen the statement when asked about it prior to question period.

But she says Canada has been negotiating in good faith throughout the 13-month process and remains committed to nothing short of a deal that's in the best interest of Canadians.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/beta.ctvnews.ca/content/ctvnews/en/national/world/2018/9/18/1_4099110.html
 

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Here is a good article from the Washington Post on NAFTA

Is Canada ‘ripping us off’? Or is
it the best U.S. trade partner?
The $4 trillion in goods exchanged last year between the two nations was about evenly divided between imports and exports.

By Ted Mellnik and Aaron Williams Sept. 17, 2018


https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2018/business/us-canada-trade-balance/?utm_term=.d50ee168b360
What we've been saying, and what the Governors of the States we trade with have been saying all along. But Li'l Donny doesn't get the concept of win-win. Now that he's named our Unfair Dairy Defence, he's not likely to be satisfied until we're all drinking Bovine Growth Hormone laced 2%. He has to see our tears and hear us say, "uncle!" before he can believe he's won.

Even then he doesn't really believe it, but that's for the Aberrant Psychology Forum.
 

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I think Trump is running out of time, he wants to brag about a win against Canada before the mid terms.
 

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Republican majority is running out of time in Congress. Nancy Peolosi will NOT support Trumps Mexico deal without Canada.
 

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I think Trump is running out of time, he wants to brag about a win against Canada before the mid terms.
Yes, exactly. The Sept 30th "deadline" is completely US imposed because they are afraid of missing the FastTrack deadline to submit text for the agreement in order to pass before Dec 1 (when the new Mexican President takes office). It's questionable whether Congress can pass it using Fast Track Authority unless Canada is in the deal.

Trump is under a lot of pressure from his own GOP members representing States that do a lot of business with Canada. And listen to Trump's bullshit rhetoric. The moron keeps whining about "300%" tariffs on dairy. That's a huge exaggeration to characterize all Canada/US trade on the basis of ONE tariff that is not even applied to all dairy trade. Trump needs to lie to make his case - which is weak.

Canada should just hold firm and insist on a concession if we concede something.
 

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Yes, exactly. The Sept 30th "deadline" is completely US imposed because they are afraid of missing the FastTrack deadline to submit text for the agreement in order to pass before Dec 1 (when the new Mexican President takes office). It's questionable whether Congress can pass it using Fast Track Authority unless Canada is in the deal.

Trump is under a lot of pressure from his own GOP members representing States that do a lot of business with Canada. And listen to Trump's bullshit rhetoric. The moron keeps whining about "300%" tariffs on dairy. That's a huge exaggeration to characterize all Canada/US trade on the basis of ONE tariff that is not even applied to all dairy trade. Trump needs to lie to make his case - which is weak.

Canada should just hold firm and insist on a concession if we concede something.
You don't play chicken with someone who prefers chaos to order. That's a surefire path to no deal, and no deal is the one deal Canada can't afford. If your negotiating partner doesn't map a way out of an impasse for you, you map a way out of the impasse for them.
 

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You don't play chicken with someone who prefers chaos to order. That's a surefire path to no deal, and no deal is the one deal Canada can't afford. If your negotiating partner doesn't map a way out of an impasse for you, you map a way out of the impasse for them.
so you suggest Canada cave? No wonder you support the CPC - the party of cheese eating surrender monkeys. 1.Trump has too many trade balls in the air right now. Setting with Canada via some minor concessions on BOTH sides will free up Trump to continue his brain dead fight with China - maybe even with Allies like Canada at his side. 2. Trump is lying about Canada/US trade. Don't deal on a liar's terms under any circumstances.
 

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Creating time pressure is a classic negotiating tactic. Does anyone really want Canada to be part of a treaty negotiated by the Mexicanos? HELL NO!!!
 

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so you suggest Canada cave? No wonder you support the CPC - the party of cheese eating surrender monkeys. 1.Trump has too many trade balls in the air right now. Setting with Canada via some minor concessions on BOTH sides will free up Trump to continue his brain dead fight with China - maybe even with Allies like Canada at his side. 2. Trump is lying about Canada/US trade. Don't deal on a liar's terms under any circumstances.
You can just ignore what Trump says at this time. It's just posturing. Likewise, he will ignore statements made by the Canadian team and all those newspaper articles TERBites love so much. His objectives have been the same throughout. He wants something that looks optically like being tougher on trade. We could have got out of this by siding with him in negotiations with Mexico, but we were too incompetent to do that. Now we have to find him an optical victory, while obtaining what we want, open access to the US market. It's still possible, but not unless the negotiators for Canada can extract themselves from the bunker they've dug themselves into.

It certainly doesn't matter that your negotiations partner is a liar. If it did, there wouldn't be a single collective agreement in Canada today! Assume he's a liar. As long as you can figure out what would "look" like a win to him, there's a way out of this mess.
 

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Creating time pressure is a classic negotiating tactic. Does anyone really want Canada to be part of a treaty negotiated by the Mexicanos? HELL NO!!!
The time pressure is on CANADA, because we lose more from mutual tariffs than the US does. We backed ourselves into this corner, but there is still a way out, because Trump doesn't really want to kill Canada. At some level, he knows we're still a useful ally. This is all about optics.
 

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The time pressure is on CANADA, because we lose more from mutual tariffs than the US does. We backed ourselves into this corner, but there is still a way out, because Trump doesn't really want to kill Canada. At some level, he knows we're still a useful ally. This is all about optics.
Not necessarily, we lose more as a % of GDP if all hell breaks lose, but Canada has a trade deficit in services and manufactured goods to the US so we may actually benefit in the long run. Of course car choices will suck but we will have more Euro cars. Disruption will be bad for all in the short run, but its not clear what will actually emerge from the train wreck. The President may lose his authority to apply tariffs if he causes too much of a trainwreck
 

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Trump acts like a child, you can not negotiate with a child. Trump needed to be reigned in by his babysitters and forced to act like an adult or he needs to be removed from office and adults be put in charge again, then we can negotiate.
 

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You can just ignore what Trump says at this time. It's just posturing. Likewise, he will ignore statements made by the Canadian team and all those newspaper articles TERBites love so much. His objectives have been the same throughout. He wants something that looks optically like being tougher on trade. We could have got out of this by siding with him in negotiations with Mexico, but we were too incompetent to do that. Now we have to find him an optical victory, while obtaining what we want, open access to the US market. It's still possible, but not unless the negotiators for Canada can extract themselves from the bunker they've dug themselves into.

It certainly doesn't matter that your negotiations partner is a liar. If it did, there wouldn't be a single collective agreement in Canada today! Assume he's a liar. As long as you can figure out what would "look" like a win to him, there's a way out of this mess.
But giving an optical victory has always been the objective, Bud. What you were suggesting is caving. That's different than giving an optical victory (eg: Give some concession on dairy in return for "Buy American" exemptions). All this panic about deadlines from people like yourself who don't seem to realize that the reason the deadlines are there are so Trump can claim some something ahead of the mid-terms. That is HIS problem and if he wants to solve it, there is a very simple solution: Bargain in good faith.
 

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Trump acts like a child, you can not negotiate with a child. Trump needed to be reigned in by his babysitters and forced to act like an adult or he needs to be removed from office and adults be put in charge again, then we can negotiate.
This is the single most ridiculous idea I've seen on this topic. You don't get to force your negotiations partner to change their principal. Not even in the deck of cards. He was elected, in part, to get "better" trade deals. But "better" is a shade of paint. Canada should just get painting.
 

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But giving an optical victory has always been the objective, Bud. What you were suggesting is caving. That's different than giving an optical victory (eg: Give some concession on dairy in return for "Buy American" exemptions). All this panic about deadlines from people like yourself who don't seem to realize that the reason the deadlines are there are so Trump can claim some something ahead of the mid-terms. That is HIS problem and if he wants to solve it, there is a very simple solution: Bargain in good faith.
I look at the deadlines as an opportunity as well as a threat. I have never suggested caving. In fact, if I could cross examine Freeland, my bet is she's actually been told how to extract Canada in a win-win way from the knot they've tied themselves up in (told by the US team), but has marching orders from Hairdo to prolong the drama. Bargaining in good faith is nothing more than trying to get a deal, rather than trying to avoid one. It's Canada that's dragging our feet here.
 

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Not necessarily, we lose more as a % of GDP if all hell breaks lose, but Canada has a trade deficit in services and manufactured goods to the US so we may actually benefit in the long run. Of course car choices will suck but we will have more Euro cars. Disruption will be bad for all in the short run, but its not clear what will actually emerge from the train wreck. The President may lose his authority to apply tariffs if he causes too much of a trainwreck
You're forgetting about Canadian stock prices dropping, investment dropping, and interest rates rising.
 

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Trump acts like a child, you can not negotiate with a child. Trump needed to be reigned in by his babysitters and forced to act like an adult or he needs to be removed from office and adults be put in charge again, then we can negotiate.
No one can argue with the first part, but no ones prepared to wait for these unknown adults to show up. If Baby Donny's sitting there with the family Glock (metaphorically) then that's what ya gotta deal with.

And no, you don't get to shoot him. Not even metaphorically.
 

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No one can argue with the first part, but no ones prepared to wait for these unknown adults to show up. If Baby Donny's sitting there with the family Glock (metaphorically) then that's what ya gotta deal with.

And no, you don't get to shoot him. Not even metaphorically.
Justin and his incompetent crew were out-manoeuvred in a classic divide and conquer business move by the US.
Rather than get ahead of that a long time ago, all Junior did was insult the POTUS and focus on his India costume party which accomplished nothing other than embarrassment. Inviting a known convicted assassin to dinner?
What the f*ck is this clown doing?
 

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You're forgetting about Canadian stock prices dropping, investment dropping, and interest rates rising.
That may be part of the deal, but we will be forced to open up our economy to China more. We have already agreed to do so to to Europe and several other countries through CETA and the CPTPP. Things will change but I think we need to prepare for a world where the US is no longer preeminent. The sooner we get on with it the less the shock will be. I am sure some of the language at the table is - "if you area trying to force Canada into the arms of China then go ahead with your tariff plan"
 
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