That's what you say about almost everything, yet nothing turns out the way you predict. When will that pattern cause you to re-evaluate your analysis?
Wait and see,
That's what you say about almost everything, yet nothing turns out the way you predict. When will that pattern cause you to re-evaluate your analysis?
Wait and see,
Fans staying out late aren't being paid by my tax dollars.Fans also shout about things that they cannot control. Not all of them will go to bars / restaurants and worse off some will loiter around town shouting, fighting, puking and God knows what. So if it bothers you so much about protesters staying out late making noise let's apply it to everyone. Based on your logic, fans that choose to stay out late that have day jobs would be tired and unproductive the next day.
I hear they will be selling off all the vacated council chairs like they did when Maple Leaf Gardens shut down.Personally responsible for one entire term of dysfunctionality in Toronto's City Council.
Not if those fans cause disruption, damage or wind up in jail. Earlier you commented about people out on a week night, which makes no sense. Do you know a person's work situation just by looking? They will deal with whatever consequences that comes to them and it's none of our business because it doesn't affect us.Fans staying out late aren't being paid by my tax dollars.
I actually think people are paying too much attention, but it's only surface level and one-sided. They are not thinking critically about what they read, see or hear. The Internet makes it too easy to be lazy by sticking to your own camp and not question things.But if you don't ever pay attention you can wind up with stuff that may take years to undo.
Thanks for this.https://www.theglobeandmail.com/can...ario-court-of-appeal-sides-with-premier-ford/
Ford backs off Notwithstanding clause. ON C A stays Belobaba's decision to allow reduced seat election to take place on Dooffo's terms.
Translation: The Court of Appeal is picking its time and place for a fight. It will sacrifice TO City Council and husband its ammo to use if Dooffo attempts to attack fundamental rights like LGB or abortion rights. In judicial system terms, the city council is a brawl outside a bar in Brampton while the Notwithstanding clause is World War III with nukes and WMD's.
What Ford threatened to do is a game-changer. Frequent, casual and non principled use of the notwithstanding clause wipes out almost 4 decades of painfully constructed civil rights law in this country and throws everything into chaos. The judges have to choose what to do if this every actually happens. The choices are:
1. Say it's political and it's up to Parliament and the provincial legislatures to re write the Charter to remove the Notwithstanding Clause;
2. Tell the government to go fuck itself and state that Canadian jurisprudence has been so changed in the 35 years since the Charter came into force that those fundamental rights now exist independent of a written, formal constitution. (Yup. They can say this. They can say anything. They're judges). If they say this, they have just notwithstanded the notwithstanding clause into oblivion and won.
I have no idea which way the courts will go, but I would lean in favour of #2. There's too much at stake to allow the Charter to be over-ridden at will by whatever hack idiot poll happens to be in power at any given time.
The Bench is hoping that Ford and the Tories smartens tfu and never tries this shit again. In the meantime, they are going to think and discuss privately and get onside for an organized reaction if the situation ever re occurs.
Here's better info:Thanks for this.
Its great to have one informed view on this board.
Meaning that while Bill 5 was definitely unfair, it wasn't unconstitutional.Here's better info:
As the Court of Appeal put it: “The application judge (Belobaba) was understandably motivated by the fact that the timing of Bill 5 changed the rules for the election mid-campaign, which he perceived as being unfair to candidates and voters. However, unfairness alone does not establish a Charter breach. The question for the courts is not whether Bill 5 is unfair but whether it is unconstitutional. On that crucial question, we have concluded that there is a strong likelihood that (Belobaba) erred in law and that the Attorney General’s appeal to this court will succeed.”
https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/goldstein-ford-wins-big-at-the-court-of-appeal
Who said life is fair???Meaning that while Bill 5 was definitely unfair, it wasn't unconstitutional.
Don't think that Frod has won much from this.
Google pyrrhic victory
1. This was not about fairness IMHO. It was about rigging the system. Doug Ford rigged the system against the NDP at Toronto City Hall and that is absolutely wonderful. The NDP at City Hall has spent all it time trying to rig the system for its own ends. Finally someone put a stop to this. They deserved what they got. The NDP of today is different than the NDP of 20 years. Today they are just power-hungry politicians.Who said life is fair???
Was life is fair when McGuinty said no taxes increase and then brought in the largest health tax and screw all taxpayer and voters!!
Was life is fair when Wynne say no carbon tax but then bring in a cap & trade ( hidden tax) which same as taking money from taxpayer wallets in a sneaky way.
So gues it time for some city lefite governments politicans get shaft and fuck in the ass by Doug Ford!!
Getting screw it really hurt .. So who say life is fair!
Time for them to feel some pain too!
PS Ford did good on this!
Toronto is important and deserves to have the downtown core be a major voice.1. This was not about fairness IMHO. It was about rigging the system. Doug Ford rigged the system against the NDP at Toronto City Hall and that is absolutely wonderful. The NDP at City Hall has spent all it time trying to rig the system for its own ends. Finally someone put a stop to this. They deserved what they got. The NDP of today is different than the NDP of 20 years. Today they are just power-hungry politicians.
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4. Toronto is important. Win Toronto and his Ford-ness will be leader of the province for a long time. Take away the TTC and let the province run it. Build subways. Take the credit for that. Let John Tory blow his horn about SmartTrack all he wants.
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Here's better info:
As the Court of Appeal put it: “The application judge (Belobaba) was understandably motivated by the fact that the timing of Bill 5 changed the rules for the election mid-campaign, which he perceived as being unfair to candidates and voters. However, unfairness alone does not establish a Charter breach. The question for the courts is not whether Bill 5 is unfair but whether it is unconstitutional. On that crucial question, we have concluded that there is a strong likelihood that (Belobaba) erred in law and that the Attorney General’s appeal to this court will succeed.”
https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/goldstein-ford-wins-big-at-the-court-of-appeal
You left out the last bit of your Sun article:Here's better info:
As the Court of Appeal put it: “The application judge (Belobaba) was understandably motivated by the fact that the timing of Bill 5 changed the rules for the election mid-campaign, which he perceived as being unfair to candidates and voters. However, unfairness alone does not establish a Charter breach. The question for the courts is not whether Bill 5 is unfair but whether it is unconstitutional. On that crucial question, we have concluded that there is a strong likelihood that (Belobaba) erred in law and that the Attorney General’s appeal to this court will succeed.”
https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/goldstein-ford-wins-big-at-the-court-of-appeal
The empahasis is mineThe Sun said:The larger question is was this trip necessary? The answer is no.
Ford didn’t mention cutting the size of Toronto council during the recent Ontario election campaign, so his decision to announce and implement it after the fact invited allegations from Ford’s political enemies that he was acting out of vindictiveness.
This because Ford lost the Toronto mayor’s race to the current incumbent, John Tory, in 2014, and was angry about how Toronto council treated his late brother, Rob Ford, when he was mayor from 2010 to 2014.…
In my view, Ford should have announced during the provincial campaign that he was planning to downsize Toronto council, not sprung it as a surprise attack after he won.
So let me understand this...when I don’t provide artifacts and express things in my own words you attack me and ask for evidence. But when I provide evidence you want me to express things in my own words.
Boober, let's have a little levity and laughter in this thread.
Tell us - in your own words - what the Ontario Court of Appeal is saying there??
What I provided was info about the verdict...the rest is subjective.You left out the last bit of your Sun article: The empahasis is mine
So you imagine, But what you provided was info about the Stay of Proceedings which is neither a verdict, nor a decision. It's the Court not deciding the issue, but making a temporary order to ensure the least harm, based on their understanding of the issues, probabilities and priorities as briefly presented to them by the parties for and against. Their order was that for now Bill 5 can remain in force, until they decide on the appeal. The best you can say, is that since they were unanimous in letting Doug's law stay in force, it's likely they'll eventually decide that way in the end.What I provided was info about the verdict...the rest is subjective.
The original verdict based on things being unfair didn’t hold water and the judge fucked up.
What more do you need?
So let me understand this...when I don’t provide artifacts and express things in my own words you attack me and ask for evidence. But when I provide evidence you want me to express things in my own words.
How about you pick one rather than deflecting for the sake of it?
The province has never run GO Transit particularly well so I have little confidence they can do any better with the TTC.Take away the TTC and let the province run it. Build subways. Take the credit for that. Let John Tory blow his horn about SmartTrack all he wants.
Verdict, Stay, decision, who really cares? I don't. If you want to critique my summary go ahead if it makes you feel better...but my point is it's done. At this point, terminology doesn't really matter...unless it offers some kind of comfort for you.So you imagine, But what you provided was info about the Stay of Proceedings which is neither a verdict, nor a decision. It's the Court not deciding the issue, but making a temporary order to ensure the least harm, based on their understanding of the issues, probabilities and priorities as briefly presented to them by the parties for and against. Their order was that for now Bill 5 can remain in force, until they decide on the appeal. The best you can say, is that since they were unanimous in letting Doug's law stay in force, it's likely they'll eventually decide that way in the end.
The full arguments for and against the appeal have yet to be made, and any Appeal Court decision is likely months away. Saying it's decided before then just makes you look foolish.
And just as subjective as Lorrie Goldstein in the Sun, who is at least more thoughtful and better informed.
In other words...you have nothing...except picking at things to distract from the fact that you are outraged and not happy about Ford's epic victory.
No I just wanted to laugh at you trying to understand a legal concept.