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can anyone explain Ford changing the council size?

dshaw4096

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What is the real reason behind this? Political revenge for his brother? Advantage to redistributing votes? Republicans in the USA would redraw the districts so not sure if related.

I've just never seen an article describing the real reason?

I am sure as ON premier he doesn't care about Toronto City Council wage spending.
 

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What is the real reason behind this? Political revenge for his brother? Advantage to redistributing votes? Republicans in the USA would redraw the districts so not sure if related.

I've just never seen an article describing the real reason?

I am sure as ON premier he doesn't care about Toronto City Council wage spending.
Officially reduce size of governments to make it run more efficiently. Example if you have 47 of the smartest people in the room ..nothing get done They will be always arguing! So hopefully 25 councillor which is the same number of seat as Federal MP and Ontario MMP things will get done. The boundaries are the same as federal and Ontario no advantage in redistribution of vote. Plus 22 less councillors equal less spending and saving of $25 million dollars.. Also nothing was getting done in council too much debates and arguments.

Unofficially payback is a bitch..lol..
So he get to kill two bird with one stone . LOL... Time to let those leftie squirms and cry !
 

dshaw4096

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nothing get done They will be always arguing!
Do you have any evidence of this? Latest news articles say the size is same as most major cities and lots gets done, most decisions are made, new infrastructure etc.
Or are you a Trump guy?
 

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Draining the swamp
These leaches were not needed and were just costing us money. This needs to be done at every level
 

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Do you have any evidence of this? Latest news articles say the size is same as most major cities and lots gets done, most decisions are made, new infrastructure etc.
Or are you a Trump guy?
Other cities, like Montreal have party systems. So debates take place along party lines, with the leader of the party deciding on the main course of debate. The rest of the councilors take directions from the party leader.

As far as Toronto, it's not a party system. So there's potentially 47 members of council who can spin away on their very own tangents. Ford alluded to that recently by noting about the multiple day debate on shark fins.

Toronto is truly a disfunctional city. The infrastructure has become inadequate because no one can agree on anything. Why does it take 10 years to build one subway line with 3 stations, when Guangzhou doubled its 6 subway lines to 12 in 3 years! Not the same system, but you see the point.

One can't say that Ford came up with this on a whim. He was part of that system, with all of the frustrations it entailed. If Ford wants Toronto to improve its infrastructure, and the Province is willing to put up a large part of the funding, then Toronto City Council has to do its part, and not get bogged down into endless and useless discussion.
 

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I’m not a Ford fan, but I agree this needs to be done. The Toronto city council has consistently made terrible decisions and has mired our city in inefficiency. He’s probably doing it out of spite, and the timing is awful, but the results will probably be beneficial for Toronto, so I’m ok with it.
 

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Need to set term limits for city councillors. Two terms max. The president of the United States can only sit for 2 terms. Let someone else have a kick at the can
 

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Draining the swamp
These leaches were not needed and were just costing us money. This needs to be done at every level
Draining the swamp....LOL.
Yup, Toronto council, it is dysfunctional” , Ford government estimates will save taxpayers $25 million annually which is a bonus!! LOL..
Yup he probably doing out of spite and pay back a bitch!! LOL!!
 

essguy_

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What is the real reason behind this? Political revenge for his brother? Advantage to redistributing votes? Republicans in the USA would redraw the districts so not sure if related.

I've just never seen an article describing the real reason?
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I am sure as ON premier he doesn't care about Toronto City Council wage spending.
The real reason is personal vendetta but not just for Rob, also for Doug. All the ridiculous comments about size and efficiencies are just so much bullshit. Eg: take the size argument to the extreme - don’t have a Council at all - just let the Mayor decide (after all. He was elected by the people). Wait... eliminate the Mayor too and just let the Province run things!

Even IF these ridiculous arguments were true (and they’re not) - why is Ford doing this in the middle of an election when candidates have already been nominated based upon the existing electoral map? Why not wait, introduce legislation for the next election (or simply postpone this one for 4 - 6 months which is within the Province’s powers) and craft the legislation so that it could be applied to Ottawa, to Windsor, to Hamilton, etc, etc. Why just a Toronto and why the insane rush which is undemocratic and against the charter (hence Ford’s use of the Notwithstanding clause)? If he did it properly there would be no Constitutional problems.

Ford is trying to introduce as much chaos as possible to a group of people he has fought in the past and he still holds a grudge. He never mentioned it in the campaign and pulled it out of his ass after taking power.

Of course another explanation is that Ford is a power mad moron. But I am giving him credit by assuming there is at least a revenge factor to explain this.
 

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Do you have any evidence of this? Latest news articles say the size is same as most major cities and lots gets done, most decisions are made, new infrastructure etc.
Or are you a Trump guy?
News articles are too bias ..they are too liberal.. Don't reflect what the rest of Ontarians thinks..with the exception of Downtown Toronto!!
Downtown Toronto vs suburban Toronto mentally!!
Example bike lane vs Car ( equal traffic congestion)
Example streetcar vs Car !

In the end Ford have nothing to lose by pissing off downtown Toronto ( They all vote against him anyway)
But the suburban Toronto will loves him for now!!
 

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Draining the swamp....LOL.
Yup, Toronto council, it is dysfunctional” , Ford government estimates will save taxpayers $25 million annually which is a bonus!! LOL..
Yup he probably doing out of spite and it paid back a bitch!!
Think about what you are saying and what you have been fooled into believing. Think. Where did the $25 million dollar annual savings come from? THINK. Ford pulled a number out of a hat with absolutely no justification and fools have bought it hook, line and sinker. Why not save $50 mln a year by eliminating Council completely? LOL!
 

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Think about what you are saying and what you have been fooled into believing. Think. Where did the $25 million dollar annual savings come from? THINK. Ford pulled a number out of a hat with absolutely no justification and fools have bought it hook, line and sinker. Why not save $50 mln a year by eliminating Council completely? LOL!
Sure eliminate the council completely..They are all parasites!!
Less government equal more money saved !! Drain the freaking swamps!!!
Got no problem with that.
Don't care if he pull a number out of the hat!!
By the way the number he pulled out of the hat match the number of seat for Federal MP = 25, and provincial MMP = 25 for all of Toronto!
And plus if federal mp & Provincial MMP can handle all of Toronto with 25 MP each why can't Toronto do the same?
So therefore it not a random number he pulled out of a hat!

PS got no problem with him doing it out of spite too!
 

Captain Bly

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There is no doubt the Toronto council is totally dysfunctional and cannot make a decision about anything apart from wasting money on court challenges. For whatever reason Ford is dead right, do away with these idiots who only see their small picture and get people with wider constituencies.
 
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Do you have any evidence of this? Latest news articles say the size is same as most major cities and lots gets done, most decisions are made, new infrastructure etc.
Or are you a Trump guy?
Awesome! Now Trump is getting blamed for Toronto city council issues. This is precious ......
 

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Do you have any evidence of this? Latest news articles say the size is same as most major cities and lots gets done, most decisions are made, new infrastructure etc.
Or are you a Trump guy?

https://globalnews.ca/news/4451050/doug-ford-toronto-city-council-fight/


This is what Ford said,
“I’ve sat down at city council and we’ve debated shark fin soup for 12 hours. You’ve got to be kidding me,” he said.

“We need a partner we can work with, not a partner that is dysfunctional. City hall is the most dysfunctional arena in the entire country


PS. Just a thought my view point or questions that every Ontarians should ask. And why does Toronto need 3-6 months to run an election when both the province and the country can do the same in 6-8 weeks?
 

essguy_

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Toronto has a budget and GDP bigger than many Provinces. Could efficiency be improved? Of course. This is not the way to do it. Further, even if it was, it should not disrupt an election in progress. Ford should have bigger fish to fry, but this is sucking all the oxygen out of his first months in office. Just stupid. Of course, if Ford were smarter he’d be running a huge business (given the head start his Dad gave him) OR would be a Federal leadership candidate (again, after the lead his Dad gave him). The guy IS a municipal chump personified. He and his foolish fans seem to think he won the election on his merits. A retarded hamster would have won this election. Hell, maybe even Hudak!
 

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https://globalnews.ca/news/4451050/doug-ford-toronto-city-council-fight/


This is what Ford said,
“I’ve sat down at city council and we’ve debated shark fin soup for 12 hours. You’ve got to be kidding me,” he said.

“We need a partner we can work with, not a partner that is dysfunctional. City hall is the most dysfunctional arena in the entire country
Do they get paid by the hour?

If so, they just spent 12 hours doing nothing. Accomplishing nothing.

I can see why downsizing helps to save.
 

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Do they get paid by the hour?

If so, they just spent 12 hours doing nothing. Accomplishing nothing.

I can see why downsizing helps to save.
Half of council got eaten by a shark..lol.
I bet you now they don't give a shit about shark fin soup anymore when their job got chomped by a shark!! LOL!!
 
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