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Sobering Thoughts on Section 33

Anbarandy

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If he has a Grander Plan to improve our entire municipal democracy why would he still keep it secret from we, the People?

Humility?
The Grander Plan is his Grand Demolition and Subsequent Takeover of the City of Toronto of which the first step in his demolition plan is gerrymandering the size of city council to ensure a Ford wing majority of seats.

Step 2 is The Theft and Looting of the TTC Subway System from the City of Toronto and the subsequent sell off of that system to the private sector. Expect more napkin planned subways going to and coming from nowhere land with nary a somewhere stop in between.

Step 3 The destruction of the arcane, dysfunctional and car destroying TTC trolley system. Bike lanes dynamited, pedestrians put in their place and any and all impediments and obstacles to free, unobstructed and God given rights to the car driver erased from the face of Fordonto.

Step 4 Ensure that the most needy, the least well off become even more so. Ensure that the culture, diversity and vibrancy of the City reverts back in time, to a period in the 1950's when God and sex was feared, cars ruled and women were put in their place. Make Fordonto Great Again!


Dougzilla Destroys The Toronto He Hates.
 

Boober69

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If he has a Grander Plan to improve our entire municipal democracy why would he still keep it secret from we, the People?

Humility?
You call it a secret...I call it effective planning.

This is a new era where the PC’s have learned how to succeed and deal with the usual tactics from the left.
Get used to it. Much more to come.
I suspect Horwath will be getting kicked out of the legislature many more times.
At least it will give her more time to spend shopping g at Holt Renfrew while thinking about her next media comments about low income families.
 

bver_hunter

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https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/goldstein-ford-is-fighting-the-court-party

The Charter — ironically enough created by politicians — has enormously increased the power of our judiciary not only to judge laws passed by Parliament and legislatures, but to remake them in their own image, as well as use the Charter inappropriately to strike down laws they disagree with.

This transformation of our courts has been aided and abetted by a broad coalition of special interest groups, many government-funded, university academics, particularly in the law schools, human rights commissions, trade unions and media, all sympathetic to the expansion of judicial power to remake society in ways they could not achieve through the ballot box.


Political science professor Ted Morton of the University of Calgary, a former MLA and cabinet minister in Alberta’s Conservative government from 2004 to 2012, has described them, collectively, as the “Court Party,” an informal but powerful alliance of like-minded interests, who support the “judicialization of politics,” including lobbying governments to appoint activist judges from the ranks of the Court Party.

The Court Party has been shouting the loudest about what Ford has done, describing it as an attack on democracy.


This even though the notwithstanding clause was included in the Charter at the behest of the provinces for the very reason Ford is now citing, as a check against judicial power inappropriately interfering with the ability of legislatures to make laws, and without which the Charter would not have been approved.

Bizarrely, some of the criticism has come from the same politicians who agreed to the inclusion of the notwithstanding clause in the Charter, which Ford is using precisely as the Charter describes in Section 33.


This is not, as Morton wrote in a superb National Post column on Friday, because they particularly care about the size of Toronto council.

Rather, “their real fear is that Ford’s use of the notwithstanding power will set a precedent that legitimizes its use by other governments. If the government of Ontario can use the (until now rarely used) notwithstanding power to defend policies it deems important, why can’t Alberta or Nova Scotia? The stigma of being an outlier will be removed.”

“The political left in Canada has been very successful in using the courts to win policy battles that they can’t win in fair and free elections. The list of policies that have been dictated by judge-made law is long: abortion, same-sex marriage, physician-assisted suicide, Aboriginal rights, immigration and refugee determination, judicial salaries, Senate-reform, prostitution, collective bargaining. But whatever is next on their policy shopping list could now be in jeopardy.”

I also recommend a 1992 paper Morton wrote for the Osgoode Hall Law Journal, “The Charter Revolution & the Court Party,” based on themes later elaborated in his 2000 book of the same name, co-edited with Rainer Knopff.

As Morton explained a decade after the Charter was approved:

“The adoption of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms in 1982 has transformed both the practice and theory of Canadian politics. It has replaced a century-old tradition of parliamentary supremacy with a new regime of constitutional supremacy that verges on judicial supremacy. Judges have abandoned the deference and self-restraint that characterized their pre-Charter jurisprudence and become active players in the political process.

“Encouraged by the judiciary’s about face, interest groups — many funded by the very governments whose laws they are challenging — have increasingly turned to the courts to advance their policy objectives. The Charter has made the court room a new arena for the pursuit of politics.”

That’s the reason Parliament and provincial legislatures are today constantly challenged in the courts by members of the Court Party, seeking rulings by sympathetic, activist judges inappropriately using the Charter to interpret or strike down laws they disagree with.


Indeed, even many critics of Ford’s government agree that’s what happened to his Progressive Conservative government’s bill to downsize city council from 47 members plus the mayor, to 22 members.

I believe Ford should have run publicly in June’s Ontario election on downsizing Toronto council in 2022, not announced it after the fact in the middle of the 2018 municipal election campaign.

But I also believe judges should not twist the Charter into pretzels to justify rulings which inappropriately interfere with the legitimate powers of the legislature.
They interpret the law the way it was intended. Just because Ford lost and a right wing news media goes ballistic about it and then comes up with their own take of it, just does not point to the Judge "Making the Laws". Very ridiculous assumption as all other judges would have come up with the same conclusion!!

All the same the reporter at least states the following:

"I believe Ford should have run publicly in June’s Ontario election on downsizing Toronto council in 2022, not announced it after the fact in the middle of the 2018 municipal election campaign."

That is why the majority of Ontarians do not support this move of Dumb DOFO. Why was he not honest and transparent about it at the Provincial Elections???
 

oldjones

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They interpret the law the way it was intended. Just because Ford lost and a right wing news media goes ballistic about it and then comes up with their own take of it, just does not point to the Judge "Making the Laws". Very ridiculous assumption as all other judges would have come up with the same conclusion!!

All the same the reporter at least states the following:

"I believe Ford should have run publicly in June’s Ontario election on downsizing Toronto council in 2022, not announced it after the fact in the middle of the 2018 municipal election campaign."


That is why the majority of Ontarians do not support this move of Dumb DOFO. Why was he not honest and transparent about it at the Provincial Elections???
Worth the emphasis, since the opinion came from the Toronto Sun. Thank you Porn Addict for posting this thoughtful anti-Ford opinion.

Of course all the rest of the piece belongs in a thread on the proper role of the Courts in a democracy ruled by laws. As Premier, Doug is well-positioned to exert influence and make proposals on that serious concern for the entire Federation. If he can ever stop fiddling with Toronto Council.

D'ya think the Peter Principle applies here?
 

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Worth the emphasis, since the opinion came from the Toronto Sun. Thank you Porn Addict for posting this thoughtful anti-Ford opinion.

Of course all the rest of the piece belongs in a thread on the proper role of the Courts in a democracy ruled by laws. As Premier, Doug is well-positioned to exert influence and make proposals on that serious concern for the entire Federation. If he can ever stop fiddling with Toronto Council.

D'ya think the Peter Principle applies here?

Since you like to cherry pick here the rest of the article you fail to mention!

“Encouraged by the judiciary’s about face, interest groups — many funded by the very governments whose laws they are challenging — have increasingly turned to the courts to advance their policy objectives. The Charter has made the court room a new arena for the pursuit of politics.”


That’s the reason Parliament and provincial legislatures are today constantly challenged in the courts by members of the Court Party, seeking rulings by sympathetic, activist judges inappropriately using the Charter to interpret or strike down laws they disagree with.


Indeed, even many critics of Ford’s government agree that’s what happened to his Progressive Conservative government’s bill to downsize city council from 47 members plus the mayor, to 22 members.

I believe Ford should have run publicly in June’s Ontario election on downsizing Toronto council in 2022, not announced it after the fact in the middle of the 2018 municipal election campaign.


But I also believe judges should not twist the Charter into pretzels to justify rulings which inappropriately interfere with the legitimate powers of the legislature.


This piece from sun I posted showed both parties is not 100% correct!

PS. Didn't McGuinity ran on election promise no tax and then right after election largest increases in taxes ... As right winger got fuck / taxpayers got fuck in the ass... So downsizing Toronto council in the middle election campaign so what !! Time they( Leftie governments ) got shaft up the ass!! LOL!! WHO SAYS LIFE IS FAIR!!

KARMA IS A BITCH!!
 

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Since you like to cherry pick here the rest of the article you fail to mention!

“Encouraged by the judiciary’s about face, interest groups — many funded by the very governments whose laws they are challenging — have increasingly turned to the courts to advance their policy objectives. The Charter has made the court room a new arena for the pursuit of politics.”

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You righty tighties sure get upset when you have to obey the law and the constitution, don't you?
Its really hard to execute your despot goals when the court keeps telling you its illegal, eh?
 

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You righty tighties sure get upset when you have to obey the law and the constitution, don't you?
Its really hard to execute your despot goals when the court keeps telling you its illegal, eh?
That what the nonwithstanding clauses is for !! LOL!!
 

Polaris

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Anybody who says “Court Party” in seriousness, is just a dope or a sucker. Rather than denigrate the courts, or the party that challenges faulty legislation, the idiots should lobby their own parties to spend another few minutes drafting legislation that is lawful. But I suspect they’re all too incompetent.
Government by the people, for the people, of the people.

Nobody wants government by the courts, for the courts, of the courts, because all legislation will travel through the system until who knows when.

Only the lawyers will be happy.
 

oldjones

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Government by the people, for the people, of the people.

Nobody wants government by the courts, for the courts, of the courts, because all legislation will travel through the system until who knows when.

Only the lawyers will be happy.
Actually, we all know when, even you: When the Supreme Court says.

No one wants government by the politicians, for the politicians, either. The problem is, if politicians are the government, who governs them?

The best anyone has ever managed is to say, even governments/politicians must do things according to the law. That means even politicians get judged.

All Doug needed to do to have his way was to pass his plan legally and properly into law. All the laws involved were written and knowable. He listened only to the advice he wanted, ignored the principles the Charter was describing, and those laws stopped him. The judge only told him what he could have seen for himself.

No biggie; we've done okay without his 'improvement' for the decades since Harris; a few years more, while he does his thing with less disruption won't kill anyone.

And there's always the possibility a brighter brain than his might get involved. It's one of the advantages of the sort of open discussion and debate that he thinks of as dysfunctional.
 
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