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Jim Carrey: "We have to say yes to socialism."

Frankfooter

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That does not say "there is no pure capitalist state just as there is no pure socialist state."
You said:
socialism & capitalism will not able to co-exits over the long haul.
So prove it and burn your OHIP card, otherwise you're living in a country that is proving that socialism and capitalism work fine together.
 

wigglee

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No.
First of all I was describing anti-capitalist.
Now if being a true socialist requires you to be anti-capitalist and direct your efforts against capitalism,then socialism & capitalism will not able to co-exits over the long haul.
If one groups goal is to eliminate the other group, that just is not going to work
Again, it is like driving the wrong way on a one way street at rush hour. something bad will happen & not just to the wrong way driver

Now if socialist are smart & not specifically "anti-capitalist" they would recognise their survival depends on capitalist success & also recognize there is a lot of risk if you

a) Try to fix a functioning economic engine
b) Place too much burden on that engine
c) Do not manage government finances properly

Socialist prefer to ignore these realities.
I will let you guess how copasetic a mixture will be if one party prefers to ignore economic reality
Hint: Ask someone in Greece or Venezuela
Maybe you should ask someone in Denmark or Germany.
 

basketcase

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A balance ??...
Absolutely. In case you missed it, the government takes tax money from us to pay for things that society needs in general including security, education, health care, and much more. Are you really trying to claim that universal health care and social assistance are really capitalist concpets?
 

JohnLarue

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You said:


So prove it and burn your OHIP card, otherwise you're living in a country that is proving that socialism and capitalism work fine together.
Saying they will not be able to coexist long term if the socialists don't wise up (do not truncate out important details)

It really is nothing more than stating the obvious
the socialists did not wise up in Greece or Venezuela & capitalism (ie capital) left
There is no denying the FACT that the money left both of these socialist disasters
You fools have to start learning from your mistakes

That statement also does not label one or the other as "pure"
"Pure" was your word, not mine

Stop trying to corner me in a bullshit game of twist my words.
You are just not smart enough
 

Frankfooter

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Saying they will not be able to coexist long term if the socialists don't wise up (do not truncate out important details)
Now you're changing your story?
Adding in a 'if the socialists......'?

Are you going to show the socialists what's what and burn your OHIP card?
Or are you really a closet socialist?
 

icespot

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No.
First of all I was describing anti-capitalist.
Now if being a true socialist requires you to be anti-capitalist and direct your efforts against capitalism,then socialism & capitalism will not able to co-exits over the long haul.
If one groups goal is to eliminate the other group, that just is not going to work
Again, it is like driving the wrong way on a one way street at rush hour. something bad will happen & not just to the wrong way driver

Now if socialist are smart & not specifically "anti-capitalist" they would recognise their survival depends on capitalist success & also recognize there is a lot of risk if you

a) Try to fix a functioning economic engine
b) Place too much burden on that engine
c) Do not manage government finances properly

Socialist prefer to ignore these realities.
I will let you guess how copasetic a mixture will be if one party prefers to ignore economic reality
Hint: Ask someone in Greece or Venezuela
1) Venezuela is the product of a populist governemt that did away with all the check and balances that existed, much like Ford is doing right now with the "notwithstanding clause".

2) If you knew any Greeks, they would all tell you how people bragged about not paying taxes by doing XY JZ..... What happened in Greece was also the result of a capitalist system that lent huhge amounts of money at an interested rate, that was later increased to level the country couldn't afford. Read up on the world bank and international monitery fund, capitalist systems that end up owning countries. Last from open source search....

When the financial crisis of 2008 sent U.S. automakers to the precipice of failure, conservatives, notably Mitt Romney, urged the Obama administration to let the car companies go bankrupt. Neoconservatives blamed “high wages” paid to unionized autoworkers for the inability of GM, Ford, and Chrysler to compete. In his book The Crash of 2016, author Thom Hartmann points out a flaw in the argument that high wages to American workers are the problem. He says:



Actually, Germany paid their autoworkers about $67 an hour (including wages and benefits). But the United States paid its average worker only $33 an hour (also including wages and benefits). On top of that, German car manufacturers were highly profitable, despite the comparatively large paychecks of their workers. BMW earned a before-tax profit of 3.8 billion euros, and Mercedes-Benz hauled in profits of 4.6 billion euros.
So how did Germany just completely blow up the myth that car companies have to pay their workers less to be more profitable and manufacture more cars? How can Germany do the opposite: pay their workers more, be more profitable, and make more cars?

The answer: democracy.

First, Germans have completely democratized the auto plant by unionizing nearly every single autoworker in the country—under IG Metall, the German autoworkers union. With such a high union membership rate, autoworkers hold a lot of sway when they threaten to go on strike. That’s how workers have been able to keep wages high and working conditions satisfactory. But as Horst Mund, the head of the International Department of the German autoworkers union, pointed out, unions hardly ever go on strike in Germany “because there is an elaborate system of conflict resolution that regularly is used to come to the sort of compromise that is acceptable to all parties.”
 
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