1)What is the motivating factor that unites these 99%? do none of them actually believe the science?
2That comment regarding vaccines belies the message you were trying to send.
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2That comment regarding vaccines belies the message you were trying to send.
IPCC: Imaginative curve fitting to keep the narrative alive, and keep government money flowing in. I know these scientists, and they like their toys: supercomputers they use the try out their latest climatological theories as they purport to have the answers that will save the world from itself.
wattsupwiththat: Gee! Thanks for the tip!
Throughout history, scientific progress has been hampered by the majority consensus. If the majority consensus always had its way against the minority that proved them wrong, doctors would still be bleeding patients and doctors wouldn't be washing their hands. And the Earth would still be at the centre of the universe. 400 years ago, Galileo was called a heretic by the consensus. 400 years later, that consensus is now ridiculed. I predict that in 400 years, the climate change/global warming consensus will be ridiculed in kind.
The problem with the consensus, is that they refuse to discuss and debate in a meaningful way positions that are contrary to what they believe, dismissing them out of hand, and relying instead on the impressive alphabet soup initials placed after their names in order to berate those who challenge them.
Humans have been around 200,000 years. During that time the climate has been anything but stable. Massive droughts almost wiped out the 10,000 or so breeding homo sapiens 70,000 years ago. It was estimated that 500-1000 survived. During that time we have gone through major rapid temperature changes of up to 6C over short periods (50-100 years). Look up the Younger Dryas era. But for the past 10,000 years since we developed agriculture and city states we have been in a relative period of climate stability. Including present day.
I love the people who think that the thousands of scientists from over 100 governments with different mandates are all working together to defraud the world, all for the riches and glory of ......wait for it......dum dum dum.....RESEARCH GRANTS!
Of all the stupid conspiracies, to think that all climatologists would all decide to plot against the world through faked climate change research has to be the stupidest theory ever.
You really believe that?
Are you that stupid?
As you noted, even the climate changes within this period nearly wiped out humans before.
Yet you don't think that the changes we have and are making won't have any effects on humanity?
I've stayed away from this thread, time for me to close it.
You can deny climate change to your hearts content - but don't complain when you get your bill for home insurance.
You can deny climate change to your hearts content - but don't complain when you get your bill for home insurance.
So true, when Mt. Toba erupted 72,000 years ago it ushered in a mini Great Dying. The human population was reduced to it's lowest since they crossed out of Africa.
1: You do know that I was being sarcastic right, with the rest of the post it should have been obvious. The motivating factor of the 99% is reality, something conspiracy theorists and other nut jobs don't seem to have a relationship with.
2: As for vaccines, my purpose was mocking, but even more terrifying, like everything else, I didn't pull it out of my ass. It's an actual thing that someone promotes and other people believe. But hey better than getting information from the CDC, the NHS or the Mayo Clinic when you can go to someone who...
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I think any changes humans are inducing pales in comparison to natural climate change that we have ZERO control over.
A climate skeptic book by Japanese physicist and Professor Emeritus Yuh Fukai released in October, 2015, was recently released in Kindle version. The title of the book in Japanese is: 地球はもう温暖化していない, which means:
“The Globe Isn’t Warming Anymore“.
In his book Dr. Fukai quotes many scientists such as Dr. Shigenori Maruyama, Dr. Kunihiko Takeda and Dr. Kiminori Itoh. Also prominently featured are charts by R. J. Donohue et al, Dr. Roy Spencer, and Dr. John Christy. Dr. Fukai writes: “An enormous amount of meteorological balloon data of great worth ignored by IPCC were employed in Christy’s 2015 graph.”
CO2 “a good thing” …studies show global greening
Dr. Fukai also points out that global vegetation coverage increased by 11% in 29 years, from 1982 to 2010, as increasing CO2 has helped the greening of the Sahel and Sahara Desert. He contradicts the often heard media claims that drought is spreading globally, writing: “The media spread the word that desertification is progressing globally, but practically the desert is greening through CO2.” […] “Everyone should be aware that increasing CO2 concentrations in atmosphere is not in itself harmful, but it’s a good thing.”
No correlation
Dr. Fukai also shows that the earth’s temperature change is not simple and does not correlate at all with CO2. He shows graphs from D. M. Etheridge et al., Mauna Loa Observatory and the temperature data from Moberg et al. (2005).
Chart: ftp://ftp.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/paleo/contributions_by_author/moberg2005/nhtemp-moberg2005.txt
The retired Japanese professor writes that at around 1000 A.D. — the Medieval Warm Period — there were no signs showing CO2 concentration was higher. A temperature graph using data from Moberg et al. (2005) shows the Medieval Warm Period appears clearly and that CO2 was in fact around 280 ppm at that time.
Warming better for humans
In addition he writes that from a historical perspective, “warming brought about no trouble to human life.”
Fukai notes that in Japan the great famine of Kanei (1640 to 1643) and the great famine of Genroku (1695 to 1696) happened during the Little Ice Age, a dark and gloomy period of crop failures and paranoid witch hunts. He writes: “We have never heard of a famine resulting in a warming period”, and that “global cooling was terror for humans.”
Suppressed views
He notes that public opinion in Japan has been almost universally behind the claim that humans are the main cause of warming. Some 91% of Japanese citizens believe it. A shocking number compared to other countries. It is certain the media were in part hugely responsible, he writes.
Dissent is rare in Japan
“Articles by outspoken journalists overseas, however, have put the brakes on the CO2-made global warming hypothesis. There is no chance of that here in Japan. Japanese journalists have suppressed views that challenge the hypothesis,” Fukai writes.
According to Fukai: “Among Japanese earth scientists, only Dr. Shigenori Maruyama has sharply criticized the theory that global warming is caused by CO2 from a paleoclimatology point of view.”
But he adds: “Many solar researchers stand for an opinion that solar activity plays a major role in driving the climate.” In Japan there are Dr. Kunitomo Sakurai and Dr. Hiroko Miyahara.
IPCC “scientifically immoral”
About the IPCC, he writes: “The IPCC are fixated on global warming being caused by CO2, and simply ignore all other factors and that their attitude is scientifically immoral.”
He notes in his book, citing NoTricksZone, that Prof. Hans von Storch “Fears that science is taking a role in political decision processes” and “sea level rise fears are unwarranted because long-term tide gauge data show 21st century sea level rise will be approximately as much as the 21st century“.
“The Globe Isn’t Warming Anymore“.
In his book Dr. Fukai quotes many scientists such as Dr. Shigenori Maruyama, Dr. Kunihiko Takeda and Dr. Kiminori Itoh. Also prominently featured are charts by R. J. Donohue et al, Dr. Roy Spencer, and Dr. John Christy. Dr. Fukai writes: “An enormous amount of meteorological balloon data of great worth ignored by IPCC were employed in Christy’s 2015 graph.”
CO2 “a good thing” …studies show global greening
Dr. Fukai also points out that global vegetation coverage increased by 11% in 29 years, from 1982 to 2010, as increasing CO2 has helped the greening of the Sahel and Sahara Desert. He contradicts the often heard media claims that drought is spreading globally, writing: “The media spread the word that desertification is progressing globally, but practically the desert is greening through CO2.” […] “Everyone should be aware that increasing CO2 concentrations in atmosphere is not in itself harmful, but it’s a good thing.”
No correlation
Dr. Fukai also shows that the earth’s temperature change is not simple and does not correlate at all with CO2. He shows graphs from D. M. Etheridge et al., Mauna Loa Observatory and the temperature data from Moberg et al. (2005).
Chart: ftp://ftp.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/paleo/contributions_by_author/moberg2005/nhtemp-moberg2005.txt
The retired Japanese professor writes that at around 1000 A.D. — the Medieval Warm Period — there were no signs showing CO2 concentration was higher. A temperature graph using data from Moberg et al. (2005) shows the Medieval Warm Period appears clearly and that CO2 was in fact around 280 ppm at that time.
Warming better for humans
In addition he writes that from a historical perspective, “warming brought about no trouble to human life.”
Fukai notes that in Japan the great famine of Kanei (1640 to 1643) and the great famine of Genroku (1695 to 1696) happened during the Little Ice Age, a dark and gloomy period of crop failures and paranoid witch hunts. He writes: “We have never heard of a famine resulting in a warming period”, and that “global cooling was terror for humans.”
Suppressed views
He notes that public opinion in Japan has been almost universally behind the claim that humans are the main cause of warming. Some 91% of Japanese citizens believe it. A shocking number compared to other countries. It is certain the media were in part hugely responsible, he writes.
Dissent is rare in Japan
“Articles by outspoken journalists overseas, however, have put the brakes on the CO2-made global warming hypothesis. There is no chance of that here in Japan. Japanese journalists have suppressed views that challenge the hypothesis,” Fukai writes.
According to Fukai: “Among Japanese earth scientists, only Dr. Shigenori Maruyama has sharply criticized the theory that global warming is caused by CO2 from a paleoclimatology point of view.”
But he adds: “Many solar researchers stand for an opinion that solar activity plays a major role in driving the climate.” In Japan there are Dr. Kunitomo Sakurai and Dr. Hiroko Miyahara.
IPCC “scientifically immoral”
About the IPCC, he writes: “The IPCC are fixated on global warming being caused by CO2, and simply ignore all other factors and that their attitude is scientifically immoral.”
He notes in his book, citing NoTricksZone, that Prof. Hans von Storch “Fears that science is taking a role in political decision processes” and “sea level rise fears are unwarranted because long-term tide gauge data show 21st century sea level rise will be approximately as much as the 21st century“.
You think that post was worth resurrecting this thread?
First sentence is classic, and really shows how easy you are to fool.
Do you have any clue why Christy and other deniers like to only look at 'meteorological balloon data'?
Do you see any problem with basing your claims off of this data, or is it too complicated for you to follow?
Are you smart enough to find the problem or are you an easy mark?
Damn right I do. The fact that you don't think much of it reaffirms my belief. I don't know what the fuck you are babbling on about the matter is not all complicated.
We have two sets of independent data - satellite record and weather balloons. Both corroborate the findings of gentle warming in the atmosphere. Yet the IPCC simply chooses to ignore these data sets and instead relies on faulty doctored surface weather station data. It's a racket.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/so-ma...s-nunavut-polar-bear-numbers-unsafe-1.4173058
Oh look we have too many polar bears now. Must be that danged runaway warming in the Arctic
Oh look we have too many polar bears now. Must be that danged runaway warming in the Arctic
Your beliefs are idiotic.
Satellite/balloon temperature readings tell you the temp in the upper and lower atmosphere. Like in the clouds.
If that's where you live, then fine, use those temperatures.
But for those of us who live on the surface of the planet, they really have nothing to do with the temperatures we live with.
Deniers like you are such suckers for incredibly stupid claims like that.
The theory of anthropogenic global warming implies that the warming should occur in the troposhere and it isn't happening. Furthermore, as we know the surface temperature readings are highly skewed due to massive closings of weather stations as well as the urban heat island effect. And still they have to adjust the raw data to cool pre WWII temperatures to make it look warmer today.
