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Has The Definition Of GFE/PSE Changed Over The Years? WTF

DirtyMiind

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GFE should be what it implies. A GF that doesn’t do bbbjcim and DFK in 2019 is not GF to date. However the increased prevalence of porn has blurred the lines between PSE and GFE, but I’d say FF, DT, going hard, rimming are some PSE services. Safe GFE May be a better term for cbj, no kissing, no cim type service or “why would I be paying for this” type service ;)
I would agree with safe GFE implying no CIM as BBBJ is off the table, aka not worth paying for (I have, but won't again). I also get some of those PSE services you mention from my wife, but I would still agree they are indeed PSE.
 

autumn96

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Every real-world girlfriend I've had has offered services that SPs typically categorize as PSE, with the exception of COF in some cases.

The best PSE experiences with SPs that I've had have been all about the attitude. No cuddling or small talk –**just straight to wild, animalistic fucking. Then once I'm done I cleanup and leave. A GFE may involve some (or all) of the same services offered in a PSE session but the difference is that she might cuddle afterwards and chat.

There's a time and place for both sorts of experiences. But that's my take on the difference between GFE and PSE.
 

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To me, I think the difference between GFE and PSE is more the attitude, if that makes sense. Like, GFE is more sensual, lots of mutual foreplay, maybe some cuddling between rounds, that sort of thing. PSE is more “sportfucking”. Rough, sweaty, dirty, lots of dirty talk, lots of spit, assorted fluids flying everywhere, maybe the girl does a toy show or something for you. I think it’s less about the specific acts offered and more how they’re performed.

That’s my take, anyway. I’m sure different people have different definitions.
I didn't read the entire thread, but this is basically it. The differences are mostly in the atttitude- GFE will have SPs acting maybe more gentler and action wise, more DFK/LFK. More than likely, less of a routine and might let you take direct the action. PSE has a playlist she goes through, but maybe not much kissing. But the actual action will be more intense, attitude more demure.
 

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I like Allegra’s approach, most of their providers list acronyms so you know what to expect.
Back in the olden days most sites listed the possibilities, thus you knew fairly well what pse or gfe meant for each lady. Nowadays its riskier to actually list them. But in those olden days of 2014, it was a combo of offerings and tone of the meeting. Nowadays it seems more about offerings, not so much about the tone.
 
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J Smoove

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I've done Greek, CIM, and rimming in GFE sessions. I've also done all of the above in PSE with some DT and FF thrown in. The difference from my experience is the energy. I find GFE to be more relaxed, sensual, and gentle. There is also the opportunity to be more mindful during the session and we can really take our time to enjoy each other. There is more of a focus on mutual pleasure and while we are taking from on another, there is no qualms to giving to one another.

PSE is more urgent, vibrant and rougher. I also find there is more of a shift towards (my) self-gratification rather than mutual pleasure and it can be a more mental and physically taxing session. We are more like each other's fuck toys than lovers. It can get messy (not legalporno messy though). Also some dignity from both parties is sacrificed in the pursuit of our own carnal pleasure which freeing.

The way I see it they CAN have the same stuff in it, but the approch can affect the experience.
 
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Many of those "gentlemen" knows exactly what GFE meaning. They just hoping to get PSE , but they don't want to pay for it.
Nothing changed about those terms.
It is not about terms. Girlfriends were changed over last ten years, became more advanced LOL
 

Jasmine Raine

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The problem with the acronyms GFE and PSE is that they don't properly define shit. Some girlfriends do some wild things and some pornstars are more constrained in what they do. Therefore, GFE and PSE are piss-poor ways to describe what is available in a session.
Of course, we wouldn't have to resort to such in-concise language if our society was mature enough to accept sex work as legitimate work.

People shouldn't take the acronyms so literal. That is the problem.

I know! It would be easier if the terms did not have the words girlfriend or pornstar in them. That would really help. But they do. So we should just work with that and say it is not a "girlfriend" experience. It is just the letters GFE and that means one set of services. PSE is again a series of letters only and don't mean "pornstar"

Just look at them as a string of letters not respresenting any actual words. I mean DATY - we all know that means oral. I don't say "dining at the y" it is just DATY. But who and how the string of letters came together doesn't really matter.

GFE = LFK/DFK BBBJ DATY MPOS MSOG
PSE = DFK BBBJ CIM/CIMWS GREEK DATY MPOS MSOG

That is it. Expect that and you are good.
 

The "Bone" Ranger

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Where do you put digits (not an acronym...lol)?

People shouldn't take the acronyms so literal. That is the problem.

I know! It would be easier if the terms did not have the words girlfriend or pornstar in them. That would really help. But they do. So we should just work with that and say it is not a "girlfriend" experience. It is just the letters GFE and that means one set of services. PSE is again a series of letters only and don't mean "pornstar"

Just look at them as a string of letters not respresenting any actual words. I mean DATY - we all know that means oral. I don't say "dining at the y" it is just DATY. But who and how the string of letters came together doesn't really matter.

GFE = LFK/DFK BBBJ DATY MPOS MSOG
PSE = DFK BBBJ CIM/CIMWS GREEK DATY MPOS MSOG

That is it. Expect that and you are good.
 

Jasmine Raine

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Where do you put digits (not an acronym...lol)?
I missed that. I think it is a GFE service.

Although, remember that not every single service has to be offered to classify that escort. For example an escort could be PSE doing Greek and COF but not CIM.

Digits is one of those just like DATO or rimming.
 

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If the provider does not prepare at least a three course meal for me that's a dealbreaker.:)
At the end of the day guys are going to throw as much out there to see how much they will eventually get.
I doubt 100% of clients get 100% of what they ask for or was agreed to and still end up satisfied when all is said and done.
Providers will say yes to all of the above/everything under the sun just to get the client in the door as well.
Often it's the pimp that the client is corresponding with that says shit like no restrictions etc
much to the surprise of the provider when she meets the client.
 

The "Bone" Ranger

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I can tell you from a man's point of view, if a girlfriend would not let you perform digits it would mean you have no connection whatsoever. It is just like a girlfriend not letting you kiss her...

I missed that. I think it is a GFE service.

Although, remember that not every single service has to be offered to classify that escort. For example an escort could be PSE doing Greek and COF but not CIM.

Digits is one of those just like DATO or rimming.
 

Kev88

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I like Allegra’s approach, most of their providers list acronyms so you know what to expect.
Yes, to this. And to Indies that put it out there.

When I'm looking, I completely disregard the GFE and PSE terms. There are a lot of GFE services that I don't want and a couple of PSE that I do, so I need an á la carte menu. Some providers are a big help by being clear about that. If not, I rely upon reviews. And here is where we need each other. It's a huge help when a review hits the acronyms (always understanding YMMV).
 

rhuarc29

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People shouldn't take the acronyms so literal. That is the problem.

I know! It would be easier if the terms did not have the words girlfriend or pornstar in them. That would really help. But they do. So we should just work with that and say it is not a "girlfriend" experience. It is just the letters GFE and that means one set of services. PSE is again a series of letters only and don't mean "pornstar"

Just look at them as a string of letters not respresenting any actual words. I mean DATY - we all know that means oral. I don't say "dining at the y" it is just DATY. But who and how the string of letters came together doesn't really matter.

GFE = LFK/DFK BBBJ DATY MPOS MSOG
PSE = DFK BBBJ CIM/CIMWS GREEK DATY MPOS MSOG

That is it. Expect that and you are good.
Personally, I'd rather see GFE and PSE disposed of entirely, and have us stick to a list of acronyms like what you provided, as suits the lady and her services.

EDIT: Like Allegra.
 

Jasmine Raine

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I can tell you from a man's point of view, if a girlfriend would not let you perform digits it would mean you have no connection whatsoever. It is just like a girlfriend not letting you kiss her...
Again, take the word girlfriend out of the equation. It is not about that. I know it is hard because spelled out the term is girlfriend experience but that is not what GFE is anymore. It is just three letter strung together. Stop thinking actual girlfriend.

Personally, I'd rather see GFE and PSE disposed of entirely, and have us stick to a list of acronyms like what you provided, as suits the lady and her services.

EDIT: Like Allegra.

I agree if that is an option. Sometimes it is not. For example advertising platforms all have different rules regarding listing services.
 

The "Bone" Ranger

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Again, take the word girlfriend out of the equation. It is not about that. I know it is hard because spelled out the term is girlfriend experience but that is not what GFE is anymore. It is just three letter strung together. Stop thinking actual girlfriend.

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It is very difficult to do that given I am dishing out a wad of my hard earned cash and also considering I have very limited windows to hobby as I am under "surveillance." I need to ensure I am getting what I "expect." If I buy a meal at a restaurant I expect it to have salt in it and that I shouldn't have to ask before ordering. This is in fact a very expensive meal thinking in that analogy...
 

Jasmine Raine

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It is very difficult to do that given I am dishing out a wad of my hard earned cash and also considering I have very limited windows to hobby as I am under "surveillance." I need to ensure I am getting what I "expect." If I buy a meal at a restaurant I expect it to have salt in it and that I shouldn't have to ask before ordering. This is in fact a very expensive meal thinking in that analogy...
You know I like you and understand your situation but none of what you said as any relevance on what your girlfriend does therefore your hooker should to.

It is up to you to confirm services and if they lie then you review. If they say GFE, confirm that services you think fall under the GFE term. But don't mistake it to mean actual girlfriend. Your girlfriend does other shit too that we don't. Like yell at you for stupid things and expect things, we don't. So stop expectin a "girlfriend" experience and instead define the services under the term GFE.

If the escort won't give you the confirmation or services to want, move on.

Do I wish it was easier for both sides of this coin, of course. But reality is what it is. People need to start looking inward on how to make this hobby/industry successful for themselves and stop relying on other people to do it for you.

I expected better service at Jack Astor's yesterday. I didn't get it so I left and went to Milestones. I didn't tell them how to run their business, I just moved on.
 

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You know I like you and understand your situation but none of what you said as any relevance on what your girlfriend does therefore your hooker should to.

It is up to you to confirm services and if they lie then you review. If they say GFE, confirm that services you think fall under the GFE term. But don't mistake it to mean actual girlfriend. Your girlfriend does other shit too that we don't. Like yell at you for stupid things and expect things, we don't. So stop expectin a "girlfriend" experience and instead define the services under the term GFE.

If the escort won't give you the confirmation or services to want, move on.

Do I wish it was easier for both sides of this coin, of course. But reality is what it is. People need to start looking inward on how to make this hobby/industry successful for themselves and stop relying on other people to do it for you.

I expected better service at Jack Astor's yesterday. I didn't get it so I left and went to Milestones. I didn't tell them how to run their business, I just moved on.
First, Bone, I'm with you. Digits are about as optional in the transaction as money is.

JR, nope. the SP fantasy is one of intimacy, connecting, being uninhibited sexually at least. How many ads can you find that highlight something like "Lets play, I'm great at helping men feel comfortable, I want you to feel like a King"? My accountant doesn't say that stuff, but even she works works in digits (sorry).
GFE = Girlfreind, not WE, a wife (Sheesh, just imagine that acronym for a second, maybe it means "berating").
 

yomero5

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I think the terms GFE and PSE have become a little dated. A lot of girls do CIM and DFK which were considered PSE services. I don't see the point in using the terms GFE and PSE, anymore.
 

Smallcock

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GFE = EVERYTHING, except bareback

PSE = Bareback EVERYTHING, video optional

With porn infiltrating everyone's lives, we've all become accustomed to certain expectations in the bedroom. For example, who actively wants a girlfriend that doesn't do CIM etc??? In a marriage in 2019, not doing CIM is a grounds for divorce!
 
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