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Has The Definition Of GFE/PSE Changed Over The Years? WTF

LatikaDD1

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Howdy Folks,

Many gentlemen have been texting me with the following question: "Do you offer Full GFE cim, cof, greek?"

WHEN i first started out as a companion, GFE was the following services: lfk/dfk, daty/digits, cbj/bbbj, russians/pearls (YMMV for all services, but usually all allowed unless the guy was absolutely filthy or something.)

PSE was considered cim cof and sometimes Greek as well as all the other services listed above.

QUESTION: If GFE now includes ALL the above-noted services, what makes PSE different now?

WTF!
 

Grimnul

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To me, I think the difference between GFE and PSE is more the attitude, if that makes sense. Like, GFE is more sensual, lots of mutual foreplay, maybe some cuddling between rounds, that sort of thing. PSE is more “sportfucking”. Rough, sweaty, dirty, lots of dirty talk, lots of spit, assorted fluids flying everywhere, maybe the girl does a toy show or something for you. I think it’s less about the specific acts offered and more how they’re performed.

That’s my take, anyway. I’m sure different people have different definitions.
 

SexB

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I was kind of surprised to find out that Russian is considered to be GFE.

But, I had been talking about doing the whole "friends with benefits" thing with a civvie woman and she said she would have been open to tit-fucking.
 

Grimnul

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My extremely prudish ex was ok with titfucking, so I guess that’s considered fairly vanilla these days.
 

einar

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Nothing has changed, Latika, except the prevalence of text inquiries nowadays may make men seem even more jerks than they were before. I'd say such inquiries are an easy way for you to weed out potential clients.
 

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I think the term GFE is different for everyone I dont think there is any standard some men expect more from a session than others. Some Sps offer what they consider GFE but might be consider PSE. I think the best thing to do is to be clear right from the start so there are no surprises
 

kherg007

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Hmm...where does dato fit? I figure cim, COF, Greek, etc definitely pse. Kiss daty dato was gfe. Along w the general style of the encounter...warm fun vs intense...hmmm...
 

LatikaDD1

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Hey, thanks all for the replies.

I try to avoid getting into the juicy details over text and i know back in the day when if I said i offered "GFE," clients knew right away what I meant without getting further into details. (oooo those are the ones us gals all luv)
 

kherg007

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Yeppers warm fun gfe style where you get to eat up the lady everywhere is totally the best. Get your lovin' on and she doesn't yell at you for leaving dirty dishes in the sink or your socks on the floor. Perfetto! As the Italiani say... lol
 

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Howdy Folks,

Many gentlemen have been texting me with the following question: "Do you offer Full GFE cim, cof, greek?"

WHEN i first started out as a companion, GFE was the following services: lfk/dfk, daty/digits, cbj/bbbj, russians/pearls (YMMV for all services, but usually all allowed unless the guy was absolutely filthy or something.)

PSE was considered cim cof and sometimes Greek as well as all the other services listed above.

QUESTION: If GFE now includes ALL the above-noted services, what makes PSE different now?

WTF!
Very easy to get confused between GFE and PSE it becoming confusing to most clients. I think you have to be very specific now today so there can be no misunderstanding. In my humble opinions.
PS. Don't shoot me if I am wrong..LOL.
 

shack

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I think the term GFE is different for everyone I dont think there is any standard some men expect more from a session than others. Some Sps offer what they consider GFE but might be consider PSE. I think the best thing to do is to be clear right from the start so there are no surprises
The classic definition for GFE is DFK, BBBJ, DATY and CFS.
 

TFZL1

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Thank you Shack. Your definition is how I Always understood GFE to be with the YMMV caveat based on respect and really good hygiene of course.
That’s the way I understood it. And enjoyed.
Then I met some lady’s who were more PSE style, which may include DT, FF and CIM. Some offer Greek for extra and some include that in thier service.
I still enjoy gfe style with special lady’s, sometime it’s more intimate and affectionate.
 

Smallcock

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We do need to update the terms for the modern age because the current definitions are appalling. I mean, why would a man living in 2018 date a girl that doesn't allow cim, cof, and Greek? It's all GFE.

PSE should be re-defined as bareback everything, plus photo/video recording, elaborate scenarios/requests. Nobody watches porn where the guy is wearing a condom. It's all lights, camera, action.

BSDM should be called the Wife Experience. You pay lots of money to be abused and get no sex.
 

essguy_

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The definitions have definitely evolved over the years. And there used to be a different definition depending upon whether it was an MPA or SP. eg: for an SP, shack’s definition above was the traditional GFE. This goes back to the days when BBBJ was more of a rarity. For MPA’s GFE used to imply that kissing was allowed since services used to be more restrictive than today. Nowadays, the lines between MPA and Sp are increasingly blurred so the acronyms mean the same for both.

Nowadays it seems GFE is like the new expected minimum standard and PSE the next level being widely requested. Anyway, I’ve never personally relied upon these acronyms in reviews since everything is very YMMV. So much depends upon level of comfort, trust and hygiene.
 

hamermill

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Howdy Folks,

Many gentlemen have been texting me with the following question: "Do you offer Full GFE cim, cof, greek?"

WHEN i first started out as a companion, GFE was the following services: lfk/dfk, daty/digits, cbj/bbbj, russians/pearls (YMMV for all services, but usually all allowed unless the guy was absolutely filthy or something.)

PSE was considered cim cof and sometimes Greek as well as all the other services listed above.

QUESTION: If GFE now includes ALL the above-noted services, what makes PSE different now?

WTF!
i suspect similar to the $200 rate when you first started over 10 plus years ago the definition has changed as well.
 

rhuarc29

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WHEN i first started out as a companion, GFE was the following services: lfk/dfk, daty/digits, cbj/bbbj, russians/pearls (YMMV for all services, but usually all allowed unless the guy was absolutely filthy or something.)
That's still my interpretation, with the only difference between "safe GFE" and "GFE" being cbj versus bbbj. And yes, PSE would be CIM, COF, and sometimes Greek.

However, meanings change over time, especially where there is no hard, well-known definitions. Makes you job hard, I know. Too bad communication couldn't be clear and precise, so that no bad situations occur...eh, politicians?
 
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