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Court stops Doug Ford from changing council size!

Bud Plug

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What Ford has done is to piss off and alarm every constitutional law expert in Canada.
Not before Belobaba did!

It takes an outrageous legal claim, followed by an outrageous legal ruling before you ever get to a response to that ruling which is outrageous or not. Try to get the sequence correct. The conservatives didn't throw the grenade, they threw the notwithstanding clause on top of it. Luckily, the Court of Appeal defused the explosive before it went off.

P.S. You used the word "educated" when you meant "like minded liberals".
 

Anbarandy

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Not before Belobaba did!

It takes an outrageous legal claim, followed by an outrageous legal ruling before you ever get to a response to that ruling which is outrageous or not. Try to get the sequence correct. The conservatives didn't throw the grenade, they threw the notwithstanding clause on top of it. Luckily, the Court of Appeal defused the explosive before it went off.

P.S. You used the word "educated" when you meant "like minded liberals".
Your analysis is missing the following from the sequence of events:

Before any legal claims, rulings, Bills, NWCs, stays etc., out of nowhere, out of the dark and obviously out of mind, there arose a twice rejected loser who out of spite, vindictiveness and hate set about to pull the pin and toss the hand grenade just because he had it.
 

Darts

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Was watching Question Period on CP 24. Why does Andrea Horwarth keep beating a dead horse? In a unanimous decision the Ontario Court of Appeal said Bill 5 did not violate anyone's Charter rights. (That means I do not collect my $10 million.) Also, does Miss Horwarth not know that Bill 31 has been withdrawn?
 

essguy_

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This entire mess was totally unnecessary if only Ford had a few more working braincells. Either that, or admit that he's doing this out of vengeance and spite. Simply postponing the election until eg: March would have made all the difference (especially considering that Ford NEVER MENTIONED any of this in his platform or during the campaign). Postponing the election would not add anymore expense than all the legal and legislative time and money wasted already. Further - he could have crafted a decent bill that would be applied across the Province versus JUST for Toronto. And it would have raised NO Constitutional questions.

Remember Folks: Ford won NOT because he's any good or deserved it more than eg: Elliot, or even Brown... or even HUDAK. He won because Brown was turfed (by his own party's internal factions) and Ford was anointed as the social conservative heir apparent. A retarded bulldog would have won the election agains the Liberals.
 

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Was watching Question Period on CP 24. Why does Andrea Horwarth keep beating a dead horse? In a unanimous decision the Ontario Court of Appeal said Bill 5 did not violate anyone's Charter rights. (That means I do not collect my $10 million.) Also, does Miss Horwarth not know that Bill 31 has been withdrawn?
The appeal is yet to be heard, Darts.
 

Frankfooter

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This entire mess was totally unnecessary if only Ford had a few more working braincells. Either that, or admit that he's doing this out of vengeance and spite. Simply postponing the election until eg: March would have made all the difference (especially considering that Ford NEVER MENTIONED any of this in his platform or during the campaign). Postponing the election would not add anymore expense than all the legal and legislative time and money wasted already. Further - he could have crafted a decent bill that would be applied across the Province versus JUST for Toronto. And it would have raised NO Constitutional questions.

Remember Folks: Ford won NOT because he's any good or deserved it more than eg: Elliot, or even Brown... or even HUDAK. He won because Brown was turfed (by his own party's internal factions) and Ford was anointed as the social conservative heir apparent. A retarded bulldog would have won the election agains the Liberals.
And Ford cheated with the nominations to get in!
 

Boober69

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This entire mess was totally unnecessary if only Ford had a few more working braincells. Either that, or admit that he's doing this out of vengeance and spite. Simply postponing the election until eg: March would have made all the difference (especially considering that Ford NEVER MENTIONED any of this in his platform or during the campaign). Postponing the election would not add anymore expense than all the legal and legislative time and money wasted already. Further - he could have crafted a decent bill that would be applied across the Province versus JUST for Toronto. And it would have raised NO Constitutional questions.

Remember Folks: Ford won NOT because he's any good or deserved it more than eg: Elliot, or even Brown... or even HUDAK. He won because Brown was turfed (by his own party's internal factions) and Ford was anointed as the social conservative heir apparent. A retarded bulldog would have won the election agains the Liberals.
Interesting view point but the only factual words in are “Ford won”.
So you get part marks for that.
 

essguy_

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Right and the Russians helped as well.
OMFG
Well, I think "cheated" might be a stretch. What he did do is flood the vote with "Instant Conservatives" who registered for $10 specifically to vote for Ford because he would eliminate the sex ed curriculum (with the help of people like Charles McVety and other socon leaders). In other words - he and major supporters bought the vote. But the party rules allowed this to happen. This is very common knowledge to party insiders and is the same way Brown won. Both times, Elliot was the victim. Elliot was going to challenge along these lines but party unity trumped any more dirty laundry being aired. Now if you want to challenge me on my knowledge of what goes on inside the OPC - feel free to try. It will be good for a few laughs at the very least.
 

mandrill

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Not before Belobaba did!

It takes an outrageous legal claim, followed by an outrageous legal ruling before you ever get to a response to that ruling which is outrageous or not. Try to get the sequence correct. The conservatives didn't throw the grenade, they threw the notwithstanding clause on top of it. Luckily, the Court of Appeal defused the explosive before it went off.

P.S. You used the word "educated" when you meant "like minded liberals".

I think Belobaba J is a little more competent on legal issues than you are. But don't let me stop you.

You have blessed this board with your "legal expertise" many, many times in the past and will do so again - many, many times.

As I have told you, you're a waste of time to dialogue with. You will take the most argumentative position you can and beat it into the ground. So feel free to continue without me. As usual. And your "legal opinion" is an unqualified, ranting, ultra partisan joke. As it always has been in the past and always will be.

Cue Buddy's dismissive comeback while I go on to read other threads.
 

mandrill

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Was watching Question Period on CP 24. Why does Andrea Horwarth keep beating a dead horse? In a unanimous decision the Ontario Court of Appeal said Bill 5 did not violate anyone's Charter rights. (That means I do not collect my $10 million.) Also, does Miss Horwarth not know that Bill 31 has been withdrawn?

Actually they didn't say that. They said that Ford had a good argument and Belobaba J might be wrong on this one.

I'm betting that this is really the Court of Appeal saying "we aren't getting into the notwithstanding clause on a minor shit fight like this. We're waiting until the province figures out Doug's bullshit a little more, a lot more people conclude he's an asshole and he tries something more important like access to abortion of LGB rights and then we're going to beat the shit out of him."
 

mandrill

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The appeal is yet to be heard, Darts.

They've made it moot because the election will take place before the appeal hearing date. So there will be no ON C A ruling on the issues one way or the other to serve as a precedent. They're biding their time for a bigger issue to fight over and a bigger, better kill.
 

Bud Plug

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I think Belobaba J is a little more competent on legal issues than you are.
Not this time, on this issue. Maybe had the issue to do with class actions.

p.s. You should have gone on to other threads before you posted your useless comment.
p.p.s. Do you have any idea what a fool you look when you complain about the demeanor of anyone else on the forum, or the frequency of their posts? Do you really have no inkling of your own, long developed, reputation? If you could only stop corrupting your legal analysis with your politics, there'd probably be nothing for me to respond to you on. However, I suspect that is beyond your power of self control.
 

Boober69

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Well, I think "cheated" might be a stretch. What he did do is flood the vote with "Instant Conservatives" who registered for $10 specifically to vote for Ford because he would eliminate the sex ed curriculum (with the help of people like Charles McVety and other socon leaders). In other words - he and major supporters bought the vote. But the party rules allowed this to happen. This is very common knowledge to party insiders and is the same way Brown won. Both times, Elliot was the victim. Elliot was going to challenge along these lines but party unity trumped any more dirty laundry being aired. Now if you want to challenge me on my knowledge of what goes on inside the OPC - feel free to try. It will be good for a few laughs at the very least.
I guess my only challenge is asking you if anything here was illegal and/or if anyone was charged?
Your explanation leans towards that and I want to tap into your vast knowledge on the subject to gain more insight.
 

Malibuk

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They didn`t just say that Belobaba might have made a mistake.
This was a humiliating rebuke.
 

Frankfooter

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This needs to be posted in all these threads.

Ontario Municipal Affairs Minister, Gets Asked Why His Riding Has 96 Councillors
09/21/2018 14:14 EDT

Steve Clark, Ontario Municipal Affairs Minister, Gets Asked Why His Riding Has 96 Councillors

The press conference made for some good TV.

By Mohamed Omar

The Ontario minister leading the charge to cut the size of Toronto's city council was put on the spot to explain why his riding has 96 municipal politicians and Canada's largest city will soon have 25.

Municipal Affairs Minister Steve Clark, a former Brockville, Ont. mayor who is tasked with working with local governments, spoke to reporters Thursday about the province's controversial move to slash the number of Toronto city councillors during a municipal question.

CBC's Mike Crawley asked about the number of councillors in Leeds–Grenville, the riding Clark represents. The exchange made for some ... interesting television.

Watch the moment below, via CityNews:

Minister questioned about 96 councillors in Leeds-Grenville

Municipal Affairs Minster Steve Clark was put on the spot Thursday about the district of Leeds-Grenville in eastern Ontario having 96 councillors for some 70,000 people. Under the province's new bill, Toronto will have one councillor for 110,000 residents.

Posted by CityNews Toronto on Friday, September 21, 2018

"If you want to listen to Twitter, it's 96 [councillors]," Clark said.

"I don't want to listen to Twitter," responded Crawley. "How many municipal politicians are there in Leeds-Grenville?"

"We have, uh, 96."

"Only six?" Crawley asks.

"96, I said," Clark responds.

"96 is correct?"

"I believe so, yes."

Those politicians collectively represent about.70,000 people, according to CityNews, spread over multiple townships. In Toronto, under the new 25-councillor system, the average riding will have a population of 110,000 people, reported the Toronto Star.

The government says it wants to align the number of councillors with the number of MPPs and MPs in the city.

Province will 'listen' to municipalities on council sizes: Clark

Those 96 councillors don't get the $112,000-per-year salary of their counterparts in Toronto, of course. Some, like those in North Grenville's council, earned $18,000-honourariums**in 2017, according to the North Grenville Times.

Further pressed on the matter, Clark told reporters that "a number" of municipal councils in the province had undergone governance reviews, and that some of them had "reduced" the number of their councillors.

"That's their decision. They decided that, to make their decision," Clark said, adding that Bill 5 — the original legislation to shrink Toronto's council — was introduced to "provide better local government" in the city.

Clark was later asked if the government has plans to shrink other municipal councils in the province. He said the Progressive Conservative government would would work with and "listen" to municipalities on the issue.

That led CityNews' Cynthia Mulligan to ask why the province didn't listen to Toronto, where there is strong opposition to the government's council cuts.

"We made it very clear that we wanted to have a streamlined council that was ready to work on those important decisions," Clark said.

The government's council-chopping move cleared a major hurdle Wednesday after a weeks-long legal brouhaha that included an overnight legislature session, protests, and condemnation from former prime ministers and legal experts over the province's use of the notwithstanding clause. A panel of judges at the Ontario Court of Appeal granted a stay of a previous ruling that struck down the government's plan.

Premier Doug Ford's government has argued cutting the number of councillors will save taxpayers $25 million and make the council more streamlined. The plan was never mentioned during Ontario's provincial election campaign.

Toronto's election will take place on Oct. 22.
 
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