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JohnLarue

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Why are you so against teaching children about sexually transmitted diseases and the risks of social media and sexting?
Are you so rabidly against unions that you're willing to put children at risk in order to make a union suffer?
1. I am against teachers thinking they get to make policy. Policy making is reserved for people we can vote out
2. $300 B -$ 400 B & a 80-90% probability of default
 

Frankfooter

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1. I am against teachers thinking they get to make policy.
The 2015 sex ed curriculum was done over years with input from experts and as boobyer noted, 4000 parents.
Are you against parents having input?
Are you against educating kids about sexually transmitted diseases?
 

JohnLarue

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The 2015 sex ed curriculum was done over years with input from experts and as boobyer noted, 4000 parents.
Are you against parents having input?
Are you against educating kids about sexually transmitted diseases?
Are you stupid ?
Asked and answered.
Sex ed is not the issue. The issue is teachers do not get to make public policy. Policy making is reserved for people we can vote out
 

Boober69

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The 2015 sex ed curriculum was done over years with input from experts and as boobyer noted, 4000 parents.
Are you against parents having input?
Are you against educating kids about sexually transmitted diseases?
1 parent per school. Not taking demographics into consideration. Sound like a good sampling to you?
Experts? Like the pedo who headed up the whole thing? Well I guess you can say he's an expert in a creepy kind of way.
 

JohnLarue

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Teachers who actually know the curriculum vs an uninformed politician catering to a special interest group?
A majority government gives the Premiere the right and obligation to make public policy.
You get to vote to remove him in four years if you do not agree with that or any policy

What is completely unacceptable is a special interest group making public policy
the public has no recourse to remove them, if the public does not agree with their policy making.

It is called democracy
 

Frankfooter

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Are you stupid ?
Asked and answered.
Sex ed is not the issue. The issue is teachers do not get to make public policy. Policy making is reserved for people we can vote out
So you'd rather have the kids suffer then let teachers stand up for them?
Idiotic.

We have never had a public school curriculum designed by elected officials.
Its an absolutely idiotic idea.
 

JohnLarue

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So you'd rather have the kids suffer then let teachers stand up for them?
Idiotic.
I never said that & you know it
Why do you misrepresent what others say?
Is it because you are too bloody stupid to make a logical and rational argument?

We have never had a public school curriculum designed by elected officials.
Its an absolutely idiotic idea.
Elected governments have been making education policy since before you failed out of high school
What we have never had before is a union attempting to make public policy & that is both idiotic and totally unacceptable.

If unions are allowed to make public policy then there has to be a mechanism for the public to get rid of them
How long do you think the teachers union would survive if their existence was determined by a public vote?
 

Boober69

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I never said that & you know it
Why do you misrepresent what others say?
Is it because you are too bloody stupid to make a logical and rational argument?



Elected governments have been making education policy since before you failed out of high school
What we have never had before is a union attempting to make public policy & that is both idiotic and totally unacceptable.

If unions are allowed to make public policy then there has to be a mechanism for the public to get rid of them
How long do you think the teachers union would survive if their existence was determined by a public vote?
"Elected governments have been making education policy since before you failed out of high school"

I laughed out loud at that one! :clap2:
 

basketcase

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A majority government gives the Premiere the right and obligation to make public policy....
It is called democracy
I agree he has the authority. But in this case he is kissing ass to the religious right minority and ignoring what actual experts say so teachers are right (and within their rights) to protest it.

And the teachers aren't making policy. They are saying they will implement the 1998 curriculum including the many optional topics that became mandatory in the modern one. None of those topics are banned in the old curriculum.

And in Toronto at least, their employer is 100% behind them on this.
 

Frankfooter

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I never said that & you know it
Why do you misrepresent what others say?
Is it because you are too bloody stupid to make a logical and rational argument?
Why can't you answer the questions?
Why would you rather attack the teacher's union then let kids be educated on sexual diseases?
Do you realize that the lawsuits against Ford's policies are from parents, not teachers?
 

basketcase

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A majority government gives the Premiere the right and obligation to make public policy....

It is called democracy
Just a reminder that by the same standard, the policies you hate about the previous government were their right and obligation to implement. It's called democracy.
 

JohnLarue

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I agree he has the authority.
That is all that really matters
the teachers union is challenging that authority and want to implement their policy & that simply can not be permitted

But in this case he is kissing ass to the religious right minority and ignoring what actual experts say so teachers are right (and within their rights) to protest it.
I suspect Ford has some personal feelings on this controversial issue and some other experts may have provided an a different policy recommendation
It is his parties obligation to implement a policy which they feel is best for Ontario and aligned with their mandate from the electorate.

I have said all along Teachers have every right to protest, however not while working and not on school property

And the teachers aren't making policy. They are saying they will implement the 1998 curriculum including the many optional topics that became mandatory in the modern one. None of those topics are banned in the old curriculum.
If they do not follow the government's directive, they are making policy.

They may have successfully managed to quietly made policy and circumvented the governments directive via your weasels scheme, had they not publicly stated they were going to defy the government
Ford must now ensure the directive is being followed to the letter
Again the issue here is the elected government makes public policy, not a self serving union.

And in Toronto at least, their employer is 100% behind them on this.
What is the value in this disingenuous attempt to muddy the waters wrt who the employer is?

The provincial government makes education policy & funds the education system.
They are the employer
 

JohnLarue

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Just a reminder that by the same standard, the policies you hate about the previous government were their right and obligation to implement. It's called democracy.
I have always understood that
whine, complain, protest, cus, pull your hair out, make sound logical arguments etc, but always accept that the government of the day has been democratically elected & they make policy
If you do not like their policies there is solace is knowing you get a shot at replacing them at the next election
 

JohnLarue

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Why can't you answer the questions?
Why would you rather attack the teacher's union then let kids be educated on sexual diseases?
Do you realize that the lawsuits against Ford's policies are from parents, not teachers?
The issue is not sex ed, the issue is an unelected self-serving union attempting to make public policy & that can not permitted.
 

basketcase

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That is all that really matters...
And the people, including have the right to protest.

Repeated elected governments (including numerous PC ones) have backed teachers having a union but that doesn't stop you from whining or pulling out your hair about. Seems you just get upset that people with facts (like the experts who developed the 2015 curriculum) don't accept your blow-hard opinions.
 

JohnLarue

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And the people, including have the right to protest.
For the third of fourth time
I have alway maintained teachers have every right to protest, just not while working and not on school property

Repeated elected governments (including numerous PC ones) have backed teachers having a union but that doesn't stop you from whining or pulling out your hair about.
No elected government has had a union attempt to overrule the government & make public policy before

Seems you just get upset that people with facts (like the experts who developed the 2015 curriculum) don't accept your blow-hard opinions.
The sex ed issue is a very divisive issue with lots of people on both sides with opinions.
Labeling those opinions that differ from yous as "blow-hard" is simply not constructive, objective or accurate

It also does not change the real issue at hand here. the government, not the union gets to make public policy
 

basketcase

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For the third of fourth time
I have alway maintained teachers have every right to protest, just not while working and not on school property
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I haven't seen any news about protests on school property. All I've seen is news out of a union meeting protesting Ford's sucking up to the religious right.

And no, the union is not trying to overrule anyone and the outdated curriculum doesn't in any way ban the topics they support teachers including. Fact is their employer (in Toronto at least) is supporting their view that all those topics that scare you are acceptable in the old curriculum.


p.s I'm labelling you a blow-hard because that is what you are. You continually pretend you opinion is somehow more significant than facts.
 
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