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Frankfooter

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The issue is not sex ed, the issue is an unelected self-serving union attempting to make public policy & that can not permitted.
The issue most definitely is about sex ed.

Why the heck do you think teachers are protesting and parents are taking the province to court?
This isn't a power trip by a union, its concerned teachers trying to teach our kids about safe sex.
Why are you so against teaching kids about safe sex?
 

JohnLarue

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The issue most definitely is about sex ed.
That issue has been decided by the elected government. They have the final authority as given to them by the electorate
The issue is will the teachers defy the elected government

Why the heck do you think teachers are protesting and parents are taking the province to court?
probably because they did not like the election results

This isn't a power trip by a union, its concerned teachers trying to teach our kids about safe sex.
Anytime a union decides it can make public policy its power trip needs to be abruptly stopped
That is an assault on democracy

Why are you so against teaching kids about safe sex?
Why are you so against governing by an elected government?
 

Frankfooter

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That issue has been decided by the elected government. They have the final authority as given to them by the electorate
The issue is will the teachers defy the elected government
Why are you so against teaching kids about safe sex?

Just because Ford came to power despite the majority of Ontario voting against him, doesn't mean that Ontario agrees with him on every policy.
Even on this policy, you are in the minority.

When Ipsos asked the parents about provisions in the 2015 curriculum, support for different concepts being taught between Grades 1 and 8 was strong. For example, the highest level of support — 84 per cent — from parents surveyed dealt with the question of teaching Grade 7 students about sexually-transmitted diseases, oral and anal sex, and the risks of ‘sexting.’ The question which received the lowest level of support — 68 per cent — involved Grade 6 students being taught about masturbation, gender expression, and consent.
https://globalnews.ca/news/4424744/ontario-sex-ed-curriculum-ipsos-poll/

84% of Ontario supports teaching kids about safe sex, why are you so dead set against it?
 

JohnLarue

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Why are you so against teaching kids about safe sex?

Just because Ford came to power despite the majority of Ontario voting against him, doesn't mean that Ontario agrees with him on every policy.
Even on this policy, you are in the minority.


https://globalnews.ca/news/4424744/ontario-sex-ed-curriculum-ipsos-poll/

84% of Ontario supports teaching kids about safe sex, why are you so dead set against it?
Why are you so against governing by an elected government?
 

basketcase

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Why are you so against governing by an elected government?
Why are you so against the rights of people to protest (who in this case are a hell of a lot more informed on the topic than Ford's cabal of Christian Conservatives)?
 

Boober69

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Why are you so against the rights of people to protest (who in this case are a hell of a lot more informed on the topic than Ford's cabal of Christian Conservatives)?
How do you know they are all Christians? And what if they all were?
 

JohnLarue

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Why are you so against the rights of people to protest (who in this case are a hell of a lot more informed on the topic than Ford's cabal of Christian Conservatives)?
Everyone has a right to protest, just not at work or on school property
If the teachers want to stand all night on a sidewalk in the middle of february screaming union slogans, fine with me

Now why are you so against governing by an elected government?
 

basketcase

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How do you know they are all Christians? And what if they all were?
The people behind it clearly were. Did you even bother reading the news during the PC leadership campaign? And I guess you don't care about a fringe group pushing a religious agenda on all students.

p.s. If it was mainly Muslims behind the PC agenda, you'd be screaming about sharia law.
 

basketcase

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Everyone has a right to protest, just not at work or on school property...
I haven't heard that any of them are. Do you have news reports saying they are or are you just making shit up as usual?

And as I said, choosing to include the topics specified in the modern curriculum is not protesting anything and their employers (at least in Toronto) is supporting that choice.
 

Promo

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Here we are 3 weeks into the school year and it looks like all of JohnLarue's chicken-little predictions have been proven false. Not surprising.

- Teachers are teaching, not protesting on school property and not trying to overthrow the government.
- Virtually no complaints so far to Ford's "snitch line". The gov't never did put a process in place to manage the complaints. What a waste of money!
- Several parent organizations are working through their trustees and the courts to fight to keep the pre-Ford sex-ed curriculum in place
- Even the students are protesting for retaining pre-Ford sex-ed curriculum in place

So ......... who exactly wanted a new sex-ed curriculum? Maybe Ford should focus on fixing the math and science programs and go back the the previous curriculum as requested by the teachers.
 

JohnLarue

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I haven't heard that any of them are.
Good! they are expected to be working while in the schools

And as I said, choosing to include the topics specified in the modern curriculum is not protesting anything and their employers (at least in Toronto) is supporting that choice.
Lets be real clear
The employer is the government of Ontario. They fund the employment & determine what is and what is not to be taught.
And if including topics from the "new curriculum" is prohibited by the directive of the government, then that will will be a problem
 

JohnLarue

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Ford's government is being sued.
Not by activist teachers or even parents.
By children.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toro...an-rights-claims-ontario-government-1.4827023

Why are you so partisan that you'd rather not teach kids about safe sex then let the appearance of teachers getting their way happen?
children suing the government?
They are not of age to vote & take part in the democratic process, but they can sue the govt??
Gee did they have any adult encouragement or assistance to undertake a legal action?
Pretty shameful when adults use children to make political statements for them
 

Frankfooter

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children suing the government?
They are not of age to vote & take part in the democratic process, but they can sue the govt??
Gee did they have any adult encouragement or assistance to undertake a legal action?
Pretty shameful when adults use children to make political statements for them
38,000 kids walked out of school to protest Ford's moves as well.
Give the kids credit for standing on what they believe in.

And your condescending claims about teens abilities to take part in democracy and their education are idiotic.
 
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