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In post-election Italy, violent racist attacks becoming routine

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On Thursday in Naples, 32-year-old Senegalese street vendor Cisse Elhadji Diebel was about to collect his wares and go home, when he was shot three times by two strangers on a scooter by the central train station.

One of the bullets hit his femur, for which he has undergone surgery. Another missed him. The third is now lodged in the phone he was carrying in his pocket.

While gun and gang violence have long marred Naples, alarm bells are ringing over the rapid rise in racist assaults - at least 33 across the country in the past two months, according to Italian weekly L'Espresso.

In another attack, on June 11, two Malian refugees living in a migrant centre near Caserta, a city north of Naples, were also shot at from a vehicle.

The victims told local media that the shooters had shouted slogans in support of Matteo Salvini, Italy's new interior minister and leader of the far-right League party, who won support in the March 4 election.

There were attacks before, but now they're using guns.

In what is now almost a routine, migrant and diaspora communities organise protests every time there is a violent assault, to demonstrate against racism.

Bouyagui Konate, a 22-year-old chef from Mali, was among those who rallied after Cisse Elhadji Diebel was hit.

On June 20, he himself was hit in the stomach by a pellet fired from an air gun by men he didn't know in a passing car.

"So far there's no news on the investigation," Konate told Al Jazeera, speaking of his own experience. "If they were actually looking, they would have found them. It's full of cameras on that street. If they'd been caught and prosecuted, the same things wouldn't keep happening."

In Italy since the age of 17, Konate, who speaks perfect Italian, attended a chef training course, opened a restaurant in the city centre with a group of refugees, and took part in a TV culinary talent show.

His next project is a multicultural food truck that will tour Italy.

He said he has noticed a shift in attitudes in the past few months.

"The atmosphere has changed since the election campaign, which was done at the expense of migrants, talking about an invasion and migrants stealing Italians' jobs," Konate said. "And the person propagating this is a public figure, a politician now in power," he added, referring to Salvini. "There were attacks before, but now they're using guns. We're a step up."

Salvini, who is also co-deputy prime minister, has denied ships carrying refugees and migrants docking rights at Italian ports and called for a census in order to deport Roma without citizenship.

But claims of a racism problem in Italy are "an invention of the left", he has said, explaining that "Italians are tired."
Italy's other Deputy Prime Minister, the Five Star Movement's Luigi di Maio, is equally as dismissive. He has said that "there is no such thing as a racism emergency" in recent interviews.

Grazia Naletto, who heads the anti-racist watchdog Cronache di Ordinario Razzismo (Chronicles of Ordinary Racism), part of the NGO Lunaria, says it is difficult to keep track of racially-motivated violence.

"Racist violence reported by the media is only a part of it, including verbal violence. Often, victims don't come forward. And when these episodes appear in the local media, they are often reported as cases of ordinary violence, the racist motive is sometimes not mentioned," Naletto told Al Jazeera.

Even so, Lunaria keeps a record of racist incidents and violence and publishes regular reports.

From January 1 to March 31, the organisation counted 169 incidents ranging from physical violence to someone being refused medical assistance by a doctor, based on the victim's ethnicity.

Police do not regularly publish hate crime statistics in Italy.

In 2016, OSCE's Office for Democratic Institutions and Human Rights (ODIHR), which monitors hate crime among participating countries, reported 803 as recorded by police, with the majority based on racism and xenophobia.
But numbers don't tell the full story.

Victims who are not Italian citizens or regular residents may refrain from reporting to the police out of a fear of being identified and eventually deported.

Police have downplayed the racism motive in previous attacks.

A notable example is the killing of Senegalese street vendor Idy Diene in Florence, a day after the Italian election.

Police quickly ruled out racism, but the Senegalese and Muslim communities were not convinced.

Prosecutors talked about "futile motives", arguing the attacker had chosen a random target after giving up on the idea of committing suicide.

"What we have found not only in the past few weeks but since the beginning of the year, is that there have been several cases of violence that have unfolded with the same dynamics," Naletto said. "A street aggression by a small group of people in a car that stops and [they] pick a black person as a target, or someone near a reception centre."

One-year-old Roma child among latest victims
At least eight possibly racist shootings have been reported since the beginning of July, of which seven were carried out with air guns, which can still lead to serious injuries.

On July 17, a one-year-old Roma child was shot in the back in Rome by a former government employee. The shooter would later claim he had fired to "test the gun".

On July 2, a Nigerian woman was shot in the foot in Forlì, in central Italy, by someone on a scooter.

Three days later in the same city, a 33-year-old Ivorian man was hit in the abdomen in another drive-by shooting.
On July 11 in Latina, a city south of Rome, two Nigerians were hit by a barrage of BB gunshots fired from a passing car with three young people inside. The perpetrators were later identified and reported to police for bodily injury, with the aggravating circumstance of racial discrimination.

On July 26, a metal pellet struck an electrician, originally from Cape Verde, while he was working on scaffolding. Local media reported that upon being questioned, the shooter - who fired from his balcony - said he had wanted to hit a pigeon.

On July 27, a 19-year-old Senegalese barman was beaten near Palermo while the attackers yelled racist insults at him. This episode was caught on camera and the two attackers, 33 and 37, are being prosecuted. The racist motive was recognised in this case.

And last week, a Moroccan man was killed after a car chase in Aprilia, south of Rome. Three men, who later said they believed him to be a thief, decided to take justice into their own hands, and later denied any racial motive. The killing, and whether the Moroccan man's death was a result of the accident or the beating that ensued, are being investigated.
Naletto says that Chronicles of Ordinary Racism had warned about normalising racist speech in 2009.

"Today, we think we are in a phase where we've made a qualitative leap: from normalisation and legitimation, we are now talking about reclaiming the act, a step further," Naletto said.

"In the past few months, we have seen several cases where violence not only took place, but the perpetrator also took responsibility for the act. And whenever this was done online, it was supported by countless messages of support, which were as violent."

While acknowledging that recent developments have stoked racism, such as having an openly xenophobic party such as the League at the helm, she believes that the polarisation of Italian society has taken place over several years.

"For us long-term migrants, we have seen the repercussions of bad reception," said Ndiaye Elhadji Omar, the uncle of Cisse Elhadji Diebel, the Senegalese vendor shot last Thursday, referring to Italy's dysfunctional migrant system.

Elhadji has lived in Italy since 1993 and is a social worker at a reception centre.

"The government parks people in reception centres. It takes up to two, three years before they go through the [asylum] commission and get a stay permit, without the opportunity to learn the language or integrate," Elhadji said.

"When an Italian takes a gun and hits a migrant, it is like the government fired the shot."

https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/f...t-racist-attacks-routine-180806222002836.html
 

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The rise of right wingers who are scared shitless about immigration and now support violent racists is very worrying.
Its not just Trump and his base, its a global reaction to waves of immigration caused by incredibly stupid foreign policy or 'interventions' that have displaced millions.
Its a feedback loop, right wingers support attacking countries, people leave said countries, right wingers get frightened/angry about said immigrants looking for somewhere safe.
 

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Italy has always been a racist country, the fascism is just below the surface.
 

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Italy has always been a racist country, the fascism is just below the surface.
Which part of Italy??? Tons of my friends came through the refugee camps in Italy and Greece. They never had one complaint. Of course back then, the migrants were measured in thousands not hundred of thousands. Big numbers will always upset the local balance. The governments and the media are quick to blame racism, but that's misdirection. The people who are to blame are those who allowed the invasion to happen. Criticizing the symptoms is the ultimate fraud of our time.
 

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Which part of Italy??? Tons of my friends came through the refugee camps in Italy and Greece. They never had one complaint. Of course back then, the migrants were measured in thousands not hundred of thousands. Big numbers will always upset the local balance. The governments and the media are quick to blame racism, but that's misdirection. The people who are to blame are those who allowed the invasion to happen. Criticizing the symptoms is the ultimate fraud of our time.
Eastern European vs African. And yes volume as well.

Add in different economic conditions and yes there is Fascism bubbling up.
 

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It's not about race. It is about culture.

KK
Agree. A particular culture is prejudiced against a particular race.
 

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Is the so called "culture" based on Religion or Race?
There are many foreigners from Africa who are Christians as well as some who are Muslims. So, if they are Catholics then culturally are they acceptable? What if they are Protestants or Muslims?
Please explain this whole concept of "Culture"!!
 

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Is the so called "culture" based on Religion or Race?
There are many foreigners from Africa who are Christians as well as some who are Muslims. So, if they are Catholics then culturally are they acceptable? What if they are Protestants or Muslims?
Please explain this whole concept of "Culture"!!
Of course.

Answering out of my own experiences, rather than Googling for articles which seems to be the preferred mode of debate here, I think of "culture" as a shared set of values.

Like most people, I tend to associate with those who have similar values to me. For me those values include things like:

- Self-reliance, Accountability
- Hard work
- Discipline, mental and physical
- Respect, give and get
- Education, practical and academic
- Family
- Privacy
- That the vast, vast majority of what happens to me, both good and bad, is the result of choices I have made

It is not a surprise then, that I tend to have friends and associates that share many or all of these values. I have relatively few friends who are white american males, although I do have some, and almost no white american females. Most of my friends are female, maybe two-thirds, who are of hispanic, asian, or indian descent. Now that I think about it, the males in my social group follow the same proportion in ancestry.

My friends don't think in terms of race, at least not that I've noticed, but we do talk a good deal about our varied backgrounds and how that informs our perspective. My indian and asian friends seem to get a kick out of debating which culture has the more draconian view of the importance of good grades :)

I tend to distance myself from people with values of:

- The world owes me something
- Everything bad that happens to me is someone else's fault
- I'm a victim
- People who don't agree with me are evil
- People who have been more disciplined and worked harder than me are somehow evil
- Because I believe in a magical being who lives in the sky, who is superior to the magical being that you believe in, I get to force my values on you through some mechanism

Do I view someone as inferior because of the color of their skin, or their religion, or the arrangement of their sexual organs? No.

Do I view someone as inferior who makes bad choices in life and expects there to be no consequences? Yes.
Do I view someone as inferior who thinks that they are entitled to the fruits of my labors even though they did not labor themselves? Yes.
Do I view someone as inferior who blames everyone but themselves for their problems? Yes.
Do I view someone as inferior who lacks discipline? Yes.

Culture.


KK
 

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Of course.

Answering out of my own experiences, rather than Googling for articles which seems to be the preferred mode of debate here, I think of "culture" as a shared set of values.

Like most people, I tend to associate with those who have similar values to me. For me those values include things like:

Do I view someone as inferior who thinks that they are entitled to the fruits of my labors even though they did not labor themselves? Yes.


Culture.


KK
I totally agree with your post with the exception of that characterization of taxes.
The corollary to that statement would be:
Do I think that people who control most of the wealth in the country should be the ones to set the financial rules? No, they'll set them for their own services.

Fair and progressive taxation is not 'thinking that people deserve the fruits of your labour'.
 

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Of course back then, the migrants were measured in thousands not hundred of thousands. Big numbers will always upset the local balance. The governments and the media are quick to blame racism, but that's misdirection. The people who are to blame are those who allowed the invasion to happen. Criticizing the symptoms is the ultimate fraud of our time.
Correct.

If Canada were in a recession with lots of Canadians were out of work, and the government allowed hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants from ANYWHERE into the country within a couple of years, Canadians would be up in arms. It has little to do with fascism, racism, and everything to do with the inability to deal with the scale of the rapid migration that has taken place there. Torontonians are already is up in arms over a few hundred illegals due to the cost of and inability to house them.
 

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Correct.

If Canada were in a recession with lots of Canadians were out of work, and the government allowed hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants from ANYWHERE into the country within a couple of years, Canadians would be up in arms. It has little to do with fascism, racism, and everything to do with the inability to deal with the scale of the rapid migration that has taken place there. Torontonians are already is up in arms over a few hundred illegals due to the cost of and inability to house them.
The problem is that Canada is actually starting to do well now under a liberal government.
With the deficit starting to finally decrease and immigration not a serious issue at all.

Its only in the scared minds of some that immigration is any kind of threat to a country that has been built by immigration.
 

bver_hunter

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The problem is that Canada is actually starting to do well now under a liberal government.
With the deficit starting to finally decrease and immigration not a serious issue at all.

Its only in the scared minds of some that immigration is any kind of threat to a country that has been built by immigration.
Very true, as this scaremongering that has succeeded South of the border thanks to a mainly illiterate base, seems to have stoked the same kind of sentiment among the right wingers North of the Border.
That is sad as Canada is a true nation of immigration and diversity that has helped build it as the most respected nation on this planet. Trudeau has fully understood the scale of this issue, as the unpredictability of the PGOTUS has escalated this problem in the US and instead of them implementing and conducting their so called promise in an orderly manner, we have seen the scale of the confusion and the pain it has caused to the separation of families where their children have been forcefully abducted from them and abused sexually, physically and now mentally for life. We in Canada have conducted a far more humane approach and the exaggeration of the costs etc., by the right wingers, definitely has no bounds.
 

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I totally agree with your post with the exception of that characterization of taxes.
The corollary to that statement would be:
Do I think that people who control most of the wealth in the country should be the ones to set the financial rules? No, they'll set them for their own services.

Fair and progressive taxation is not 'thinking that people deserve the fruits of your labour'.
I understand your point, however in my opinion, that is not a corollary. The government should set the rules, and if we don't like the rules we can vote them out. Do I think I should be paying 53% of my income in taxes (which is what I paid last year)? No.

KK
 

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Of course.

Answering out of my own experiences, rather than Googling for articles which seems to be the preferred mode of debate here, I think of "culture" as a shared set of values.

Like most people, I tend to associate with those who have similar values to me. For me those values include things like:

- Self-reliance, Accountability
- Hard work
- Discipline, mental and physical
- Respect, give and get
- Education, practical and academic
- Family
- Privacy
- That the vast, vast majority of what happens to me, both good and bad, is the result of choices I have made

It is not a surprise then, that I tend to have friends and associates that share many or all of these values. I have relatively few friends who are white american males, although I do have some, and almost no white american females. Most of my friends are female, maybe two-thirds, who are of hispanic, asian, or indian descent. Now that I think about it, the males in my social group follow the same proportion in ancestry.

My friends don't think in terms of race, at least not that I've noticed, but we do talk a good deal about our varied backgrounds and how that informs our perspective. My indian and asian friends seem to get a kick out of debating which culture has the more draconian view of the importance of good grades :)

I tend to distance myself from people with values of:

- The world owes me something
- Everything bad that happens to me is someone else's fault
- I'm a victim
- People who don't agree with me are evil
- People who have been more disciplined and worked harder than me are somehow evil
- Because I believe in a magical being who lives in the sky, who is superior to the magical being that you believe in, I get to force my values on you through some mechanism

Do I view someone as inferior because of the color of their skin, or their religion, or the arrangement of their sexual organs? No.

Do I view someone as inferior who makes bad choices in life and expects there to be no consequences? Yes.
Do I view someone as inferior who thinks that they are entitled to the fruits of my labors even though they did not labor themselves? Yes.
Do I view someone as inferior who blames everyone but themselves for their problems? Yes.
Do I view someone as inferior who lacks discipline? Yes.

Culture.


KK
If culture is a shared set of values, then everyone should work to share them and take the best qualities of each set and work to implement it in a positive manner for all.
So if these migrants into Italy are hardworking and living by those rules, what culture are they changing and what is the cause for concern?
A criminal or anyone breaking the laws are and should be treated in exactly the same way. The vast majority abide by the law, but there will always be bad apples in the bucket.
 

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I understand your point, however in my opinion, that is not a corollary. The government should set the rules, and if we don't like the rules we can vote them out. Do I think I should be paying 53% of my income in taxes (which is what I paid last year)? No.

KK
That's where fair and progressive taxation needs to be fixed.
There should be lesser taxes on the middle and lower classes, less reliance on sales tax and the taxes on the top bracket needs to be enforced.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/cra-tax-avoidance-evasion-1.4787781
 
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