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Insidious Von

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Since the turn around year, the Leafs defense has gotten worse. Without Andersen, the Leafs would be in the same stew as the Oilers.

Perhaps the Marleau deal was ill advised, I would have preferred to keep Polak. I would rather have Andreas Borgman out there instead of pastry chef Ozhiganov - at least he hits. Zeitsev finally woke up, he's been leaving his defensive partner exposed, the boo birds could have also directed their ire at him. Andersen needs more protection, a goalie coming back from a groin injury shouldn't be required to be Machiste every game.

Nylander is making Matthews look lazy.
 

mynameisearl11

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Saw a poll on Sportsnet asking mostly leafs fan which trio would you rather have (or is better, I don’t fully remember):

Tavares, Marner and Matthews or Stamkos, Kucherov and Point.

Something like 60% chose the Leafs.

It’s not even close. Tampa Bay is destroying this league for a reason. Those three guys are insane. We don’t watch enough hockey of the non leafs variety, but we only wish Marner and Matthews matches Point and Kucherov one day.
I watched the game on tv last night. TB looked real good and fast! Their PP and passing are real scary to watch. It's a shame if they don't win the whole thing by the spring. Leafs were lucky to get the win because most of TB's shooters were off the mark last night. There were so many missing the net type of shots all night from tb forwards/defencemen. It could be easily a let down game vs the Panthers tonight.
 

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Good bounce back game over Tampa. Though the first game vs Tampa in the 49 shot loss was the Leafs best game of the season. However, I get a uneasy feeling that the Leafs will come up with stinker tonight vs Florida. Sparks in goal.
 

glamphotographer

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The Leafs are fun to watch, but oh so soft. Come playoff time when the rink gets smaller, the corners get nastier, they will be in tough to win one series, regardless of who they play.
They be in tough to win 1 game but some how the Leafs find a way to bring it to 6 or 7 games.
 

gcostanza

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Question for all those bellyaching and bitching about William Nylander's low point production so far this season & wanting him traded: Did you also complain and bitch for a trade of Mitch Marner after he scored only 2 goals in his 1st 34 games last season?
 

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Question for all those bellyaching and bitching about William Nylander's low point production so far this season & wanting him traded: Did you also complain and bitch for a trade of Mitch Marner after he scored only 2 goals in his 1st 34 games last season?
It’s not the same.
 

smuddan

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Question for all those bellyaching and bitching about William Nylander's low point production so far this season & wanting him traded: Did you also complain and bitch for a trade of Mitch Marner after he scored only 2 goals in his 1st 34 games last season?
Marner was a sophomore and on a ELC when he struggled. Personally I never had any doubt that Marner was going to be a "franchise player" type and it was a matter of time before he'd break out. Nylander will never be that type of players imo.

Nylander's poor performance is a byproduct of a bad contract extension. He demanded top line money and has been playing like a 4th liner. It's not his fault that Dubas overpaid him with a no trade promise but the way he plays now he's making both himself and Dubas look bad.
 

Johnny Utah

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Marner was a sophomore and on a ELC when he struggled. Personally I never had any doubt that Marner was going to be a "franchise player" type and it was a matter of time before he'd break out. Nylander will never be that type of players imo.

Nylander's poor performance is a byproduct of a bad contract extension. He demanded top line money and has been playing like a 4th liner. It's not his fault that Dubas overpaid him with a no trade promise but the way he plays now he's making both himself and Dubas look bad.
Yes. It’s mental. The ordeal of being 21, being paid millions and standing tough in the negotiations, and facing something that he has never faced before: the league being months ahead of him in preparation and game readiness and he can’t catch up.

Because he’s never dealt with sucking before, he doesn’t know how to deal with it and it’s in his head. Moving him up and down the lines doesn’t help but what can you do? He doesn’t deserve the ice time or linemates but is being paid for it.

He may get traded in the off season as other GM’s May think 7 mill Will needs a scenery change.

Nobody would have predicted 1 goal, 3 points in 18 games and being out scored by almost every other Leaf.

It’s not a blame game thing, him or Dubas. Not many will blame Dubas as his hand was forced by Willy. This is why I believe 7 mill Will will get traded. He shares more of the fault for creating the situation and not living up to it.

While he is still fresh and not as diminished, the off season is the best time to trade. If you give him one more year, another bust lowers his value so much.
 

chuckertmg

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Nylander's poor performance is a byproduct of a bad contract extension.
I wouldn't fret about it. In overall points Auston Matthews is currently 49th in the league and he'll be looking for Connor McDavid-level money, so come contract time in July everyone will forget all about the Nylander thing.

Florida Panthers were able to break their 7-game losing streak tonight, so kudos to them.

Who would have predicted the Islanders would move into first place in the Met, with a shutout over the Caps tonight? Barry Trotz should be earning Mike Babcock-kinda money; he must not have the right drinking buddies.
 

Goodoer

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Fuck me depressing... Windows to win are so short. How Matthews could ask for top dollar is beyond me... So much talent and yet he has disappeared. I'd be tougher on him more-so than Nylander and wait for the picks due from an Offer Sheet.

I like Kapanen over Nylander every day.
 

K Douglas

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Terrible loss. You ain't going to win too many games if you don't shoot the damn puck. If they lose against the Yotes at home on Sunday I'm done watching them for a while.
 

Darts

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Why didn't the Leafs draft Patric Laine? Mathews never played hard nosed hockey (e.g. U.S. national team and then the soft Swiss league). Meanwhile, Marner honed his skills in the OHA and with the Hunters' London Knights no less.
 

superstar_88

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Laine? Talk about over-reacting.

Leafs spent their energy vs TB. They had to skate tremendously hard after all. Sparks wasn't to blame tonight.

What's wrong with Nylander is a head scratcher. They are not this dominant offensive force without him pulling his weight. It's like the Leafs are dragging a dead weight around.
 

jcpro

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Terrible loss. You ain't going to win too many games if you don't shoot the damn puck. If they lose against the Yotes at home on Sunday I'm done watching them for a while.
They don't shoot for two reasons. A)they don't have anyone with a decent shot and B) they score from down low so a shot from the point must be off target or a floater for a deflection. A hard shot when you're committed deep is an invitation to a odd man rush when you have a shaky defense. Babcock is just playing the odds putting his faith in the awesome skill level of his offense. The bad news is that the opponents are on to their very predictable offensive setup.
 

Darts

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They don't shoot for two reasons. A)they don't have anyone with a decent shot and B) they score from down low so a shot from the point must be off target or a floater for a deflection.
The TV guys put up a graphic of all the goals scored by Mathews. Only one was from outside the faceoff circle. Also, he doesn't have a one timer so he needs to cradle the puck and then shoot.
 

superstar_88

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Matthews and Nylander right now is not able to generate time and space. Don't know where their chemistry went. They at one time were able to cycle and feed each other. Haven't seen Matthews get his time and space to get his shot off. Even on the PP killers are able to get on Nylander quick and create turnover. Marner is the only one that is able to generate time and space to make plays.
 

smuddan

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He may get traded in the off season as other GM’s May think 7 mill Will needs a scenery change.

Nobody would have predicted 1 goal, 3 points in 18 games and being out scored by almost every other Leaf.

It’s not a blame game thing, him or Dubas. Not many will blame Dubas as his hand was forced by Willy. This is why I believe 7 mill Will will get traded. He shares more of the fault for creating the situation and not living up to it.

While he is still fresh and not as diminished, the off season is the best time to trade. If you give him one more year, another bust lowers his value so much.
I doubt very much if Nylander will be traded in the foreseeable future, and I don't think they should trade him this year because his value is at the lowest point now. They have to wait at least till he gets back to the level he was at last year to get anything valuable in return.

Trading him so soon would also make Dubas look bad having made that promise of no trade during contract negotiations. I would have more respect for him if he would just man up and admit that he made a mistake in making that promise instead of trying to play with words that it was "only his intention". How can the Marner's and Matthews agents trust him for an honest negotiation ?
 

Malibuk

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Nylander is untradeable now unless the Leafs eat some of his salary.
Unless it is a significant chunk of his salary, the Leafs would get nothing significant in return.
 
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