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Tesla suing the Ontario government over cancelled electric vehicle rebate

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Aug 16, 2018 12:48 pm

Tesla is suing Doug Ford’s PC government.

According to court documents filed in Toronto, Tesla is suing the Ontario government over the cancellation of the electric vehicle incentives in the province.

The incentives, worth up to $14,000, were cancelled after Ford took office in June.

“On July 11, 2018, the Minister of Transportation cancelled a program that provided Ontario customers with rebates for the purchase of electric vehicles,” reads the court document.

“Before and after being elected, the current Premier and members of the government had always promised that people who ordered or bought a vehicle ‘before the cancellation would still get the rebate.’ Instead, when the Transition Plan was announced, the Minister of Transportation grandfathered applications for all such purchases except for purchases from Tesla Canada.”

The document adds that the Minister of Transportation’s decision left hundreds of Tesla Canada customers in Ontario in an “unfair position” of no longer being eligible for the rebate they had expected.

“This decision has also already inflicted substantial harm on Tesla Canada in the form of lost sales,” said the electric vehicle company.

Tesla said that it received no reasons for its exclusion, “which was an arbitrary and entirely unreasonable decision, and should be quashed.”

It also calls the exclusion unlawful.

Tesla has called for the application to be heard on “an urgent basis.”

Since 2010, the Ontario government had offered incentives to individuals purchasing or leasing hybrid-electric or electric vehicles.

http://dailyhive.com/toronto/tesla-suing-ontario-government-august-2018
 
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I’m glad they cancelled this rebate. Taxpayers shouldn’t have to help someone pay for an electric vehicle.
 
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This will be the first of multiple lawsuits as a direct result of Drug Ford's stupid policies.
Stand by.
 
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Seems frivolous, how is Tesla owed a subsidy to its business?
 
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In its lawsuit, filed with the Ontario Superior Court of Justice, Tesla Canada — which says it is an Ontario-licensed dealer — says its customers no longer qualify for an incentive, unlike those buying electric vehicles from other companies.

Tesla Canada argues the government "deliberately and arbitrarily" excluded its customers, while providing no warning or the chance to offer any input.

"The Minister of Transportation's decision suddenly left hundreds of Tesla Canada's Ontario customers in the unfair position of no longer being eligible for the rebate they had expected to receive when they ordered their vehicles," the lawsuit states.

"While purchasers of other brands and from other dealers will still receive the rebate during the transition period."

A spokesperson for the Ministry of Transportation said it is aware of the application for judicial review.

"As this matter is before the courts, it would be inappropriate to comment," said Bob Nichols in an email to CBC Toronto.

Seeking urgent action

The lawsuit claims on July 11 the original language surrounding the transition plan included Tesla Canada.

However, it claims the Ministry of Transportation later changed the wording to "expressly exclude Tesla Canada and its customers from the transition plan."

Those buying electric vehicles from BMW, Audi, Fiat-Chrysler, Ford, General Motors, Hyundai, Kia, Nissan and Volkswagen are unaffected during the transition period, the lawsuit alleges.

Tesla Canada is asking for the lawsuit to be heard urgently.

It's unclear how much the company is seeking, but the lawsuit warns every day the transition plan continues with Tesla excluded, "the unquantifiable and irreparable harm grows."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/tesla-canada-sues-ontario-government-1.4788073

Tesla have a case here. Why is Tesla excluded from the transition plan, while the other big car giants are not?? Something pretty fishy is going on here!!
 
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Frankfooter said:
This will be the first of multiple lawsuits as a direct result of Drug Ford's stupid policies.
Stand by.
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You do not have a clue
A decision not to continue to subsidize a private sector companies sales will have zero merit in court.
Besides the issue for Tesla is not the policy, however how it was implemented.
 
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onthebottom said:
Seems frivolous, how is Tesla owed a subsidy to its business?
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It's not. But to grandfather in for one business and not another isn't very smart.

The amount probably isn't worth the legal costs.
 
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JohnLarue said:
You do not have a clue
A decision not to continue to subsidize a private sector companies sales will have zero merit in court.
Besides the issue for Tesla is not the policy, however how it was implemented.
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Stop trying to engage in a pissing contest.
 
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Because rich guys buying a $100k third car need help....
 
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Again, the rebate will still go ahead for all other brands of electric and hybrid cars bought through dealers. However, Tesla were selling the Model 3 directly to clients. So why pick on them to cancel the deals?
After all these rebates are common in the US, while in Canada with Tesla 3 being more affordable, this is a plan by the Dumb Ford Government to curtail it so that gas is cheaper by presumably 10 cents a litre. The base model was just $31,600 and not exactly unaffordable as the right wingers claim. But the sales were really picking up and it is an evil intent by this Dumb Ford Government to curtail the rise in sales, so that gas prices are lower again.
 
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bver_hunter said:
Again, the rebate will still go ahead for all other brands of electric and hybrid cars bought through dealers. However, Tesla were selling the Model 3 directly to clients. So why pick on them to cancel the deals?
After all these rebates are common in the US, while in Canada with Tesla 3 being more affordable, this is a plan by the Dumb Ford Government to curtail it so that gas is cheaper by presumably 10 cents a litre. The base model was just $31,600 and not exactly unaffordable as the right wingers claim. But the sales were really picking up and it is an evil intent by this Dumb Ford Government to curtail the rise in sales, so that gas prices are lower again.
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You can’t find one for less than $50k, and that’s real dollars.

http://www.latimes.com/business/autos/la-fi-hy-tesla-model3-mass-market-20180521-story.html

Tesla hasn’t mastered high volume manufacturing to allow it to make the $35k version.

Does this look like a segment that needs tax dollar subsidies

https://goo.gl/images/pcytBP
 
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bver_hunter said:
Again, the rebate will still go ahead for all other brands of electric and hybrid cars bought through dealers. However, Tesla were selling the Model 3 directly to clients. So why pick on them to cancel the deals?
After all these rebates are common in the US, while in Canada with Tesla 3 being more affordable, this is a plan by the Dumb Ford Government to curtail it so that gas is cheaper by presumably 10 cents a litre. The base model was just $31,600 and not exactly unaffordable as the right wingers claim. But the sales were really picking up and it is an evil intent by this Dumb Ford Government to curtail the rise in sales, so that gas prices are lower again.
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This would be a non-story on any other day, however...
...because Ford is Premier and leftists are on a steady outrage simmer ever since he became Premier...they are really concerned about rebates for cars most people can't afford regardless?

Leftists outraged because rich people are not getting their rebates? haha

Slim pickin's eh?
 
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I think it is ridiculous that the government offers any type of rebate to purchase an electric vehicle.

I would rather have the government take that money and invest it into research and development on renewable energy as the payback to the taxpayers will be a much greater benefit for all.

If people want to buy an electric vehicle then they can pay the full freight just like those folks who bought the first VCR's, first DVD players, etc. You want to have the latest shiny toys on the market to parade in front of your friends? Well there is a cost for that.
 
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Ref said:
I think it is ridiculous that the government offers any type of rebate to purchase an electric vehicle.

I would rather have the government take that money and invest it into research and development on renewable energy as the payback to the taxpayers will be a much greater benefit for all.

If people want to buy an electric vehicle then they can pay the full freight just like those folks who bought the first VCR's, first DVD players, etc. You want to have the latest shiny toys on the market to parade in front of your friends? Well there is a cost for that.
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I'm all for saving the environment as long as someone else pays for it. That way I feel good about myself and it doesn't cost me anything! Win win!
Al sarcasm aside...I find it interesting that leftists whine about the rich having to contribute more in taxes, but then cry about them losing their rebates for their toys.
 
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Boober69 said:
This would be a non-story on any other day, however...
...because Ford is Premier and leftists are on a steady outrage simmer ever since he became Premier...they are really concerned about rebates for cars most people can't afford regardless?

Leftists outraged because rich people are not getting their rebates? haha

Slim pickin's eh?
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If the right wingers are offering it in the USA with the Trumpty Dumpty Government's approval, then it is okay with the right wing nutcases here.
Anyway, Dumb Ford will face lawsuits as he has targeted Tesla in this respect. Why does he not cancel it for all the manufacturers and just Tesla only? This Tesla 3 is not a rich man's car if you do not have your listening ears and was delivered directly to the clients, eliminating the dealership, is why they are being penalized. It is one of the most affordable of all the Electric Cars for the middle class and was set to be a manufacturer that was making in roads into this market!! But no doubt Dumb Ford will give away a lot of tax rebates to the very rich and not bother with the middle class. The right wingers nutcases who are just in the middle class will be getting screwed by Dumb Ford. Haha.
 
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bver_hunter said:
If the right wingers are offering it in the USA with the Trumpty Dumpty Government's approval, then it is okay with the right wing nutcases here.
Anyway, Dumb Ford will face lawsuits as he has targeted Tesla in this respect. Why does he not cancel it for all the manufacturers and just Tesla only? This Tesla 3 is not a rich man's car if you do not have your listening ears and was delivered directly to the clients, eliminating the dealership, is why they are being penalized. It is one of the most affordable of all the Electric Cars for the middle class and was set to be a manufacturer that was making in roads into this market!! But no doubt Dumb Ford will give away a lot of tax rebates to the very rich and not bother with the middle class. The right wingers nutcases who are just in the middle class will be getting screwed by Dumb Ford. Haha.
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Lawsuits, lawsuits, lawsuits,,,that's the leftist death knell whenever someone does something they don't agree with.
Where are all those lawsuits for Ford axing the Hydro CEO?
Where are all those lawsuits for Ford axing cap/trade?

There will be no lawsuits from Tesla or anyone else.

Besides, Mr. Musk appears to be coming unglued...share prices taking a huge hit after he broke down in tears in an interview claiming it was stress related.
Poor guy.
Somebody send him a rebate or something.
 
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Governments can change legislation anytime they want, and usually can insulate themselves from lawsuits at the same time.
 
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Boober69 said:
Lawsuits, lawsuits, lawsuits,,,that's the leftist death knell whenever someone does something they don't agree with.
Where are all those lawsuits for Ford axing the Hydro CEO?
Where are all those lawsuits for Ford axing cap/trade?

There will be no lawsuits from Tesla or anyone else.

Besides, Mr. Musk appears to be coming unglued...share prices taking a huge hit after he broke down in tears in an interview claiming it was stress related.
Poor guy.
Somebody send him a rebate or something.
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Are you serious?? This thread is about lawsuits being brought about by Tesla. So your are now saying that there are no lawsuits brought about by Tesla??

So why is Dumb Ford not taking the same stand against the other manufacturers of electric cars? Still no logical answer from you with regard to that fact. The Government are still giving away money to the buyers of those brands. Hypocrites!!

Did I mention about a lawsuit being brought by the Hydro CEO? He is laughing all the way to the bank with his severance of over $10 million in Hydro One shares.
 
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