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havingfun

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Can you imagine if a former Liberal government Cabinet Minister had committed such an act of treason!! Imagine the outrage that would have spewed forth from the Fox network loving members of this board. PCs have no ethics. They will commit treason for a few coins in their pocket. And, of course, John Baird was an adviser to Doug Ford (on his transition team). No surprise there - he was schooling Ford on how to rip-off Ontario tax-payers to the max for his own personal gain. Obviously Baird is quite the expert at this.

https://www.thestar.com/opinion/con...ethics-of-john-bairds-saudi-intervention.html

Where to begin with former minister John Baird’s stunning appearance on Saudi state TV?

The idea that a former foreign affairs minister could openly attack Canada’s human rights efforts in Saudi Arabia was shocking enough. The fact he further called on Prime Minister Trudeau to fly immediately to Riyadh to apologize to Saudi leadership seemed even worse.

But it was his appearance on the regime’s state network that made him seem like a willing propagandist. It was offensive to people from across the Canadian political spectrum.

Can you imagine any former foreign affairs minister — Joe Clark, Lloyd Axworthy, Flora MacDonald — acting in such a manner? But then, none of these former national representatives were paid advisers to Barrick Gold Corp., a mining giant with an ongoing venture in Saudi Arabia. In terms of ethical lapses, the Baird incident sets a new low.

In 2015, John Baird jumped from the top job at Foreign Affairs to Barrick’s boardroom. This move raised alarm bells. Few government positions come with as much domestic and international cachet as “former foreign affairs minister.”

Concerns were raised that Baird could use his enormous political connections to further the corporate interests of Barrick. After all, this is a corporation that is no stranger to international controversy.

In 2013, Barrick triggered an ethics investigation when it called on Nigel Wright, a close friend of the late mining baron Peter Munk, during a dispute affecting interests in Argentina.

The ethics commissioner cleared Wright of inappropriate dealings in setting up meetings for Barrick. The commissioner also cleared Baird’s path to go work for Barrick, even though he had been lobbied a number of times by the company prior to his hiring.

Could the ethics commissioner get involved in this case? It remains to be seen. The Conflict of Interest Act was enacted to prevent former public office holders from using their position to try and influence government for private gain. Nobody would have imagined a former minister using his position to undermine the government.

Legislators can be excused for not writing into the act something that covers Baird’s action. After all, we just assume that a former Minister of the Crown would put the interests of their nation ahead of a paycheque. However, the Conflict of Interest Act does provide two possible avenues for action:

33 No former public office holder shall act in such a manner as to take improper advantage of his or her previous public office.
34 (1) No former public office holder shall act for or on behalf of any person or organization in connection with any specific proceeding, transaction, negotiation or case to which the Crown is a party and with respect to which the former public office holder had acted for, or provided advice to, the Crown.
As minister, Baird was involved in the Raif Badawi human rights dispute that is at the heart of the Saudi hissy fit.

So is this appearance on Saudi TV worth an investigation by the ethics commissioner? Perhaps.

At issue is the fact John Baird’s comments were cloaked in the gravitas of his former office. Nearly all the coverage treated him as an expert on international diplomacy, rather than as a paid adviser to Barrick.

Imagine if Baird had begun his statement with a disclaimer: “I am speaking as a paid representative of Barrick, who has a huge joint venture with a Saudi state mining company.”

What would the response of Canadians have been in that case? Most, I assume would have rolled their eyes and written his comments off as naked self interest.

To prevent further Bairdisms in the future, the ethics commissioner could insist on the need for former ministers to state their pecuniary interest if they are stepping forward on issues pertaining to their former portfolio.

That might cause even someone as shameless as John Baird to think twice before going to bat to appease such a deplorable regime with such a horrific human rights record.
 

havingfun

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I wonder if it was Baird who advised the Saudis to put a photo of a plane heading for the CN Tower on Twitter. The man should have his citizenship revoked. At a minimum he should be questioned and monitored by CSIS. PCs everywhere should condemn this traitor loudly and vigorously.
 

Aardvark154

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Here we go with the "Treasonous" crap again! ~~~ The term is shockingly overused, and has largely lost its real meaning. ~~ Anymore it has degenerated into 'I really disagree with what you did or said, and hence will 'drop the T word' rather than using some obscenity."
 

havingfun

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Here we go with the "Treasonous" crap again
Yeah, ever since we have a US President colluding with Russians, treason has become mundane. Baird the traitor should be forced to stay with his Saudi friends. What is it that these human rights abusers do to gay men - cut their balls off in public? The hypocrisy of the man knows no bounds. But he fits into the mold of all right-wing politicians. He stands for nothing. Just an opportunist looking to fill his bank account. Fools vote for these people.
 

Boober69

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Yeah, ever since we have a US President colluding with Russians, treason has become mundane. Baird the traitor should be forced to stay with his Saudi friends. What is it that these human rights abusers do to gay men - cut their balls off in public? The hypocrisy of the man knows no bounds. But he fits into the mold of all right-wing politicians. He stands for nothing. Just an opportunist looking to fill his bank account. Fools vote for these people.
Question is, where do you draw the line?
Canada & the US do business with many countries who have horrible human rights records. If you are going to be outraged selectively, you will be very disappointed as to the breadth of hypocrisy out there.
 

Polaris

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<...................... this conservative will never vote conservative again
Don't leave!

Come back! Come back!

Why?

Simply this whole situation is a little bizarre.

Is Bird-brain being weird, yes he is.

Is Trudeau Liberals being weird? Depends on one political views and selective memory.

Trudeau newly elected government had the chance to cancel that amour personnel carrier deal with the Saudis, who were at the time and still are in a war with Yemen, and also the Saudis will use this APC to suppress any internal disturbances.

Trudeau did not cancel that APC deal, then in the next breath blame the Saudis being human rights abusers (but still gladly sell them the weapons to enforce the abuse).

Naturally, the Saudis flip out. Notice their original statement that they will boycott any new deals (did not mention the old deals).

Naturally for Canadian Liberals, the Conservatives are worst.

Yet, both seem the same. Both want to sell arms to Saudi Arabia.

This is the most recent news I could find.

Bombs away.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/saudi-lavs-freeland-report-1.4652614

:hippie:
 

essguy_

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Ironically, Baird would be in danger of being stoned to death in Saudi Arabia for his choice of where he places his penis (or allows penises to be placed). And if the rumours of why Baird left Govt so quickly are true, he’s lucky he didn’t do it in the Kingdom.
 

Aardvark154

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<...................... this conservative will never vote conservative again
Work towards reform of the Party. This is easier in a Westminster type system where Ridding Associations are both important and fairly small and select (or are at least supposed to select) candidates.
 

bver_hunter

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Baird is a treasonous individual to even fly to Saudi Arabia and support the Saudi Governments stance in their abuse of human rights.
He will kiss ass the King of Saudi Arabia, but there is no way that Canada should apologize to Saudi Arabia, in light of their abuses to Canadian citizens.
The Saudi King should apologize for that tweet by his Saudi nationals with reference to the 911 attack on the CN Tower!!
There are other alternatives for the purchase of oil, if they decide to cancel those armed vehicles.
I will not be surprised if Saudi Arabia try to hack into Canada's Elections along with the Russians.
 

Frankfooter

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Look who is premier! Yeah baby!

The way you are going, it will be a long four years.

Then you will get your hopes up, and then it will be another long four years.

Pray to god.

:ambivalence:
4 years?
Who knows, maybe Drug Ford will be found to be a crackhead himself sooner.
You think Rob only partied with his sister, and not his pot selling brother?
 
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