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She looks kinda cute....

Could I bring her to Canada on asylum grounds and split the money with her?

In Trudeau’s Canada the only way to win is to game the system

What’s the saying? “If you can’t beat em join em”

Faith Goldy for Mayor and Ezra Levant for PM

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Now a day late and a dollar short, the Baden-Württemberg Police say they are looking for him, but are being hindered because they can't talk with the victim. Hello what about when the first response of your department was "we can't do anything as he is likewise an asylum seeker," and hence she fled the country.
 

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She looks kinda cute....

Could I bring her to Canada on asylum grounds and split the money with her?

In Trudeau’s Canada the only way to win is to game the system

What’s the saying? “If you can’t beat em join em”

Faith Goldy for Mayor and Ezra Levant for PM

Cheers
If she ever come to Trudeau's Canada in the future, the first man who will see in the airport, will be Abu Humam , who will work there as an immigration officer.
 

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RT and The Daily Mail?? You sure this story is actually true?

Let's see of any reputable newspapers pick this story up, shall we?

Now on what grounds would the B-W police go and arrest someone for a crime committed 1,000 miles away? Can the TPS arrest people for crimes committed in Brazil? How about if they're not even sure that what happened even IS a crime in Brazil? How could you try someone in Toronto for something that took place outside the jurisdiction?

The most the cops could do is write a report to the German version of CSIS and to German immigration. So - assuming ANY of this piece of shit is true - the reason put forward that the B-W cops didn't perform an arrest sounds total BS. Does anyone actually believe that refugee claimants don't get arrested by the police if they commit a crime?! They sure as fuck do in Toronto! Germany is pretty hardball when it comes to crime. So I'm sure they do in Germany as well!

Would any woman flee Germany for Kurdistan? I sure as fuck wouldn't. Life for a woman is WAY better in Germany. You're scared in Stuttgart? I'm friggin' certain there's 50 leftie women's rights groups in B-W who would give this lady a train ticket to Berlin or Munich or Hamburg to allow her to leave and a couple of thousand $$$ to help her set up in her new city.

And given what happened to this woman - allegedly - why is her face and name being published??!!

This story is 99% crap, isn't it?
 

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RT and The Daily Mail??

You sure this story is actually true?


Let's see of any reputable newspapers pick this story up, shall we?
This truly saddens me, I really appreciate your posts, but this was well beneath you.

The Times: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/yazidi-slave-girl-meets-isis-captor-in-german-street-wkj20m3fv

The BBC: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-45209868

Newsweek: https://www.newsweek.com/teenager-who-escaped-isis-slavery-says-captor-found-her-germany-1076808


Further you know as well as I do that if someone came to the RCMP particularly in a Province where they are also the Provincial Police Force and said to them "HIJ" who is a known terrorist who held "me" hostage and sexually assaulted me in Rwanda just passed me at the corner of St. Germain and Howe Streets and threatened me. That they wouldn't a) dismiss the compliant / victim out of hand, and initially refuse to investigate b) that they would contact Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada, the Ministry of Justice etc. . . and find a way to detain HIJ and get a hold order or arrest warrant, they sure as Hell wouldn't ignore the victim until days had passed.

To me at least it is very hard to square the actions of the Baden-Württemberg Police with the ideal of Maintiens le droit.
 

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This truly saddens me, I really appreciate your posts, but this was well beneath you.

The Times: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/yazidi-slave-girl-meets-isis-captor-in-german-street-wkj20m3fv

The BBC: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-45209868

Newsweek: https://www.newsweek.com/teenager-who-escaped-isis-slavery-says-captor-found-her-germany-1076808


Further you know as well as I do that if someone came to the RCMP particularly in a Province where they are also the Provincial Police Force and said to them "HIJ" who is a known terrorist who held "me" hostage and sexually assaulted me in Rwanda just passed me at the corner of St. Germain and Howe Streets and threatened me. That they wouldn't a) dismiss the compliant / victim out of hand, and initially refuse to investigate b) that they would contact Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada, the Ministry of Justice etc. . . and find a way to detain HIJ and get a hold order or arrest warrant, they sure as Hell wouldn't ignore the victim until days had passed.

To me at least it is very hard to square the actions of the Baden-Württemberg Police with the ideal of Maintiens le droit.

That the story was repeated by the BBC and Newsweek certainly suggests that I was wrong to dismiss it. And the B-W police sound like idiots for at least not making an effort - although that might suggest racism, not PC-ness.

But I still do not think that there is a legitimate power of arrest.
 

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Having thought about the story a little more, it still sounds inaccurate.

If I was a cop in B-W, surely I am NOT telling the complainant that I cannot arrest the guy "because he's a refugee". Even the laziest, least sympathetic cop in Stuttgart is going to involve his superiors and he - or they - are going to tell the victim that there is a jurisdictional problem and that the guy cannot be arrested in Germany for a crime committed in Iraq. It's one thing to arrest a guy you suspect of drug dealing or another serious crime in your jurisdiction for unpaid parking tickets so you can do a search. It's not realistic to arrest a guy on a pretext if there is NO crime under German law that he could be charged with. You would simply have to let him go 2 hours later.
 

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Having thought about the story a little more, it still sounds inaccurate.

If I was a cop in B-W, surely I am NOT telling the complainant that I cannot arrest the guy "because he's a refugee". Even the laziest, least sympathetic cop in Stuttgart is going to involve his superiors and he - or they - are going to tell the victim that there is a jurisdictional problem and that the guy cannot be arrested in Germany for a crime committed in Iraq. It's one thing to arrest a guy you suspect of drug dealing or another serious crime in your jurisdiction for unpaid parking tickets so you can do a search. It's not realistic to arrest a guy on a pretext if there is NO crime under German law that he could be charged with. You would simply have to let him go 2 hours later.
How about lying to immigration officials? He did that when he made his claim I'm betting.

You get him, hold him, and then contact immigration. Tell them what you have. They then deal with it. Under German law.
 

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How about lying to immigration officials? He did that when he made his claim I'm betting.

You get him, hold him, and then contact immigration. Tell them what you have. They then deal with it. Under German law.
Interesting. I don't think the cops can arrest under Canadian law for lying to immigration officials. It has to be an immigration charge brought by the immigration or border control authorities in front of the immigration tribunals.

Again, I am thinking all the cop can do is report the guy to immigration and to state security.
 

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Interesting. I don't think the cops can arrest under Canadian law for lying to immigration officials. It has to be an immigration charge brought by the immigration or border control authorities in front of the immigration tribunals.

Again, I am thinking all the cop can do is report the guy to immigration and to state security.
You are probably correct about procedure. I'm certainly no expert on German Law.

But that they shrugged it off is what us so disheartening. One would hope getting rid of a scumbag like that would be a proactive good thing to follow up on.

I suppose it depends on interpretation of jurisdiction. If the cop knows it suspects they are in the country illegally, can they hold until it's determined?

That's the question to start. At least by questioning they can get an address to follow up on.
 

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Likewise I'm not an expert on German Law. Further Germany has in someways in terms of its legal system over reacted to its history prior to 1946 (For instance no Google Streetview in Germany, as it might possibly violate someone's right to privacy). However the crimes the victim is accusing him of are international Crimes against Humanity and War Crimes. You just can't waltz through the U.K. or the U.S.A. as someone accused of such, you will be detained even if it requires lots of phone calls and waking people up in the middle of the night.

Certainly the French are willing to do so: https://www.thelocal.fr/20180608/pa...o-be-senior-isis-member-held-by-french-police

The biggest thing seems to have been that the German Police did nothing to give this young woman the feeling that 1) they were going to do something 2) they were going to provide her with protection until they did something 3) as others have mentioned they didn't seem to get that an Daesh Fighter who the complainant has just stated is guilty of Crimes Against Humanity might just be worth calling Berlin and waking people up about.
 

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Here's how I am reconstructing what happened. RT and The Daily Mail are NOT reliable sources - as we both know. RT is tasked with disrupting and dividing the West as much as possible. And The Mail regards reporting what actually happened as far lower priority as writing the most sensational race-baiting crap they can to sell copy to their base. If you follow The Secret Barrister and his chums, they talk about how damn awful The Mail's reporting is on legal matters all the time.

I assume that this poor woman went to the cops. The cops told her that his crimes were extra-territorial and they couldn't arrest him. The issue was discussed. The cops said they would contact national security and they talked to immigration. Immigration said that they guy was an asylum claimant and that the woman's testimony would destroy his case before the refugee adjudication tribunal on grounds of both credibility - he clearly lied to immigration - and his participation in a terror organization (= an automatic rejection of an asylum claim under UN law).

The woman asked again if the man could be arrested. The cops told her it would all be dealt with at the refugee hearing and he was entitled to a hearing before the case was adjudicated.

This somehow got Daily Mail-ed into a story that the woman was ignored and the German police refuse to arrest anyone who has claimed refugee status.

Re arresting the man for being an international war criminal??..... He's never been charged with that, nor convicted. His guilt has never been established.

Calling Berlin?... Maybe they did. They're German. Law and order and following protocol is pretty big there. Maybe the Mail just sort of "left that out" of the story - the way The Mail leaves lots of details out when they write their sensationalist horseshit?

Your French news story involves a senior ISIS officer who had been investigated extensively by French security for ordering a notorious massacre and the French authorities had concluded there were probable grounds to arrest him and hold him. The distinction that I would draw is that the latter case had already been fully investigated - and not by the local city police.

 

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Of course one of the unintended effects of newspapers having decided it doesn't matter how distant you are and that you are never going to purchase the print edition - they still need to get money is that both The Daily Telegraph and The Times require subscriptions. Ironically it is newspapers such as The Daily Mail and The Guardian which remain subscription free. I wish it were the other way round!
 
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What are the bets that the ISIS guy will now go underground and change his name, now that RT and The Mail have been kind enough to tell everybody who he is?

Hopefully, German immigration and security will have enough information and sources that they can keep tabs on him; but this sort of reporting is unhelpful to say the least.
 
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