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shakenbake

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High school and University studies that I did indicate the N2 gas obeys the Ideal Gas Law while air does not. It is not a big deal riding on air or nitrogen just that air changes more with the GTA temperature ranges than does N2. One could just add air or let out air as required with the ambient temperature. The idea with N2 is that tire pressure adjustments would have to be done less frequently, sort of an all season consistent tire pressure. However whatever one chooses to fill their tires with, tire pressure should still be routinely checked for leeks etc.
I probably would not pay for N2 if my dealership did not do it for free.
For the temperature range you quoted, and the operating pressure range of a typical tire, air is considered to be an ideal gas mixture. That is coming from a chemical process engineer with many years of experience.
 

Jasmine Raine

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If you take.your car to canadia tire for service you alread lost
Oh I know. I don't take it there for that but for minor stuff like tire repair when I got a nail stuck in it. Or even just to do a top up or change out the air in the tires.

Air and nitrogen fills are free so while in the area - why not?
 

HEYHEY

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Btw tired do wear at different rates so it's not a complete rip off as long as you're not paying 100 bucks to get it done.
If.for example you have a front wheel drive car the front tires will wear out faster on the front then the back. That's why you rotate them to even out the wear.
Your car comes with a jack and an extra one is 50 bucks at princess auto. 20 minutes and you can rotate it yourself.

I like the other poster have winter tires so rotate every half a year and it works great. No additional work, just mark where the tires came off and next time you install you flip em.
 

Perry Mason

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...whatever one chooses to fill their tires with, tire pressure should still be routinely checked for leeks etc.
Do you mean onions and garlic, too? :biggrin:

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I do all the service at home (I even fix my own flats). I have jacks and a ramp, tire rotation is useful and I do it every 20k km on my cars except for one which has staggered sizes front/rear.

Fuck all Dealers and Canadian Tire, they are the biggest scammers and would try to make a quick buck from their mom if they could.
 

JaimeWolf

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^Plugging a tire from the outside is not a long-term fix. To repair a puncture properly, the tire needs to be dismounted and patched from the inside. At most shops this costs less than $40.

If you have a Hunter tire machine at home... well :yo:
 

Zaibetter

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^Plugging a tire from the outside is not a long-term fix. To repair a puncture properly, the tire needs to be dismounted and patched from the inside. At most shops this costs less than $40.

If you have a Hunter tire machine at home... well :yo:
I agree with this one, the plug didn't last and was coming out. When I had it patched from the inside I never had a problem since. But I also have had plugs that lasted forever.
 

Goodoer

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I agree with this one, the plug didn't last and was coming out. When I had it patched from the inside I never had a problem since. But I also have had plugs that lasted forever.
I had a plug without a patch last for 8 years on a snow tire. Running a solid year on my truck. Fixed my neighbour's car as well and he's doing fine.
 

AJstar

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^Nitrogen right? Nitrous is the stuff where you press a steering wheel button and snap your head back to pretend you're in a Fast & Furious movie.

And that's just the shop trying to recoup its investment in the nitrogen filling equipment. Of course it's a waste of money for cars to bring the fill from 79% nitrogen (i.e. normal air) to ~95% nitrogen...
I think you meant Nitrous Oxide that gives the extra power.
 

AJstar

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Have your wives wear a secret cam and watch what shit they try to scam us with.

Trust me when I say I LOVE being a women who knows just a little bit about cars. Sticking it to mechanics who think they can get the drop on me and mind is often a highlight of mine

Had a guy at CT once try to sell me nitrous for my tires. SELL me. The shit is free but he tried to tell me on regular air in the tire is free. Yes - they tried that shit and only because I am suppose to be a dumb chick who doesn't know better.
The last car I bought they tried to sell me the 'Environmental' package that also has Nitrogen in the tires.
After I stopped laughing ,I said uh no thanks.
But it's already in your car you're buying.
I told them to get me a car without it and subtract the added fee & they relented.
Nice try though
 

JaimeWolf

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^It's how dealers make money, because retail profit margins on the car is non-existent.

You know those clear vinyl door handle liners to prevent fingernail scratches? They are $2 a set on AliExpress...
 

rhuarc29

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I like the other poster have winter tires so rotate every half a year and it works great. No additional work, just mark where the tires came off and next time you install you flip em.
Yep, exactly what I do.

I have separate winter rims, so the tires never need to be re-mounted or re-balanced. Hell, a re-balancing is rarely needed unless tires are being swapped on the same rim or you hit something hard enough to change the geometry of the rim.
 

buttercup

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As a matter of fact, rotating your tires is (or can be) dangerous.

Here's why. After a period of service, the left front tire has bedded itself into the particular suspension alignment foibles of your left front suspension/wheel. If you now put the left front tire on the right, now, that tire does not "sit properly" on the road, and it remains so until it beds in and wears itself in to the foibles of the right front wheel.

Once the tire is bedded in, its contact patch will be more or less in the middle of where the suspension engineers designed it to be. But during the bedding-in period, the contact patch can be displaced as much as an inch to the side of where it was designed to be. (Of course, you get no sign that this is happening.)
If you now have a problem (e.g a slippery road) the chances of the car skidding into a spin are considerably increased.

So, never rotate your tires. If your left and right fronts wear at different rates, don't swap the tires over -- get your alignment checked. If you do swap, you'll be more likely (for a few weeks) to skid on a slippery road.

Another benefit of not rotating your tires (i.e not rotating them front to rear) is that, on most cars, the fronts wear faster than the rears. So you just buy one pair of new tires.
Of course, as everyone knows, if you just buy one pair of new tires, you put them on the back. Whatever your make and model of car, you always put your new pair of tires on the back.

Buying just one pair of new tires (and putting them on the back) evens out the dollar expenditure on new tires over the years, plus it helps ensure that, if you get into tire-skid conditions, it's the fronts that break free first, not the rears. A rear-wheel skid (where the rears break free first) is ten times more likely to put you in the path of the oncoming truck than a front-wheel skid.
 

james t kirk

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LOL. This makes me laugh because some people like me are a little anal when it comes to brake noises. I can't stand noise from the brakes. Cleaning up the calipers and re-greasing the pads to get the gunk out can really help with noise and pedal feel. If I'm changing the tires and feeling up to it I might go ahead and do this. Gives me a good chance to see how the pads on the back of the rotors are too.
Knock yourself out.

Cleaning won't do fuck all for pedal feel. The pistons in disk brakes travel out of the bores of the calipers as the pad wears. The pistons don't reset once you take your foot of the pedal. That's the beauty of disk brakes, they don't need (ever) to be adjusted. The caliper pistons only move in one direction. Out.

You can grease the slider pins if you like (if you have the single piston variety calipers, or all the pistons are on one face of the caliper, but that won't make any difference to pedal feel either. (This is what the garages actually sell is the cleaning and lubricating of the pins, however, doing this with every brake job is more than sufficient. And if you have 2 opposed pistons (or 4 piston) calipers. There are no pins. Just bolts. The 2 piston variety caliper has a piston on the back face and the front face, so no sliding action of the caliper.

As to the squeal that you sometimes hear, well, that is either because the pad is down to the metal tabs that rub on the rotors to tell you that the pads need to be changed, or a bit of rust after you've not driven the car in while, or sometimes, the pads will resonate when they are in the calipers. Most often, you'll see shim kits behind the pads to eliminate this problem.

But if it makes you feel better, go ahead.

But to pay for it, it's a swindle. (If the mechanic even does the work I'd be amazed.)
 

Smallcock

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As a matter of fact, rotating your tires is (or can be) dangerous.

Here's why. After a period of service, the left front tire has bedded itself into the particular suspension alignment foibles of your left front suspension/wheel. If you now put the left front tire on the right, now, that tire does not "sit properly" on the road, and it remains so until it beds in and wears itself in to the foibles of the right front wheel.

Once the tire is bedded in, its contact patch will be more or less in the middle of where the suspension engineers designed it to be. But during the bedding-in period, the contact patch can be displaced as much as an inch to the side of where it was designed to be. (Of course, you get no sign that this is happening.)
If you now have a problem (e.g a slippery road) the chances of the car skidding into a spin are considerably increased.

So, never rotate your tires. If your left and right fronts wear at different rates, don't swap the tires over -- get your alignment checked. If you do swap, you'll be more likely (for a few weeks) to skid on a slippery road.

Another benefit of not rotating your tires (i.e not rotating them front to rear) is that, on most cars, the fronts wear faster than the rears. So you just buy one pair of new tires.
Of course, as everyone knows, if you just buy one pair of new tires, you put them on the back. Whatever your make and model of car, you always put your new pair of tires on the back.

Buying just one pair of new tires (and putting them on the back) evens out the dollar expenditure on new tires over the years, plus it helps ensure that, if you get into tire-skid conditions, it's the fronts that break free first, not the rears. A rear-wheel skid (where the rears break free first) is ten times more likely to put you in the path of the oncoming truck than a front-wheel skid.
Interesting advice. Can others confirm? I always thought rotating tires was highly recommended.
 

JaimeWolf

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As a matter of fact, rotating your tires is (or can be) dangerous.
Here's why. After a period of service, the left front tire has bedded itself into the particular suspension alignment foibles of your left front suspension/wheel. If you now put the left front tire on the right, now, that tire does not "sit properly" on the road, and it remains so until it beds in and wears itself in to the foibles of the right front wheel.

Once the tire is bedded in, its contact patch will be more or less in the middle of where the suspension engineers designed it to be. But during the bedding-in period, the contact patch can be displaced as much as an inch to the side of where it was designed to be. (Of course, you get no sign that this is happening.)
If you now have a problem (e.g a slippery road) the chances of the car skidding into a spin are considerably increased.
This may have been true prior to the 1970s, when the majority of car tires sold in North America were bias-ply...
 
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