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Toronto Councillor Giorgio Mammoliti: No One’s Going to Vote for a Good Looking Lady

Anbarandy

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Worth voting for if you want to help fund her unicorn fantasy projects with higher taxes. Look at her history of proposals...says it all.
Just sayin'.
Okay, I'll bite.

Please provide a list of her 'unicorn fantasy projects' and also a history of proposoals.

You seem to have quite the knowledge about them so it should be a snap.
 

SirWanker

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Per a summary from a Toronto Star article - During his first two years as Mayor he delivered on a few key projects - Making the TTC an essential service was an huge win (where others failed) and took away the right for the TTC to hold the citizens of Toronto hostage (the TTC really fucked a lot of innocent people over their union squabbles. Complete disrespect of their customers);
Now Toronto is screwed come contract renewal time due to binding arbitration.

Privatizing garbage was another big win for the city as service levels were as good if not better but the savings were enormous for the city (money that could spent on helping poor folk survive);
Just half was privatized ( west of DVP).

Cancelling the vehicle tax (a nasty tax aimed at a limited number of people - Toronto should be fair and spread those taxes to all people, not select groups);
Agreed, Toronto should have added a public transportation(TTC) tax as part of the Utilities bill.

Trying to get the Scarborough subway going (as much as we bitch about subways, long term transportation needs will meet the needs of tomorrow).
As noted in this thread, this resulted in a property tax increase for 30 years and so far nadda to show for it.

You know why - because it's poorly constructed. I hate driving that stretch. Let's sink some funds into it to build it up and improve it from a safety perspective. If I'm in Oshawa and I need to get to QEW and Mississauga Road give me the alternative to go DVP Gardiner QEW. Ease some of the ridiculous traffic on the 401/427 corridor. FFS this is a huge city with a shortage of road space. Taking more away is completely asinine.
What are your suggestions to add more road space?
Can't really expand if there's no land to do so and prohibitively expensive to expropriate.
 

explorerzip

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What are your suggestions to add more road space?
Can't really expand if there's no land to do so and prohibitively expensive to expropriate.
Agree. We've hemmed ourselves in and can't expand our highways without doing major engineering work such as tunneling or building over the railway, etc. So either we pay up through increased property taxes, tolls or do nothing and wait for the road to collapse.
 

mandrill

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The "grand boulevard" would be a grand fucking mess of congestion and road rage.

Yes. It was a terrible idea. Wynn's worst idea of all IMO.
 

mandrill

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What is your pre-occupation with Sue-Ann Levy as a reliable, balanced news source?
Give Boober a break. His reading comprehension is limited to Sun editorials. As long as they don't use the bigger words.
 

oldjones

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Yes. It
wigglee said:
The "grand boulevard" would be a grand fucking mess of congestion and road rage.
was a terrible idea. Wynn's worst idea of all IMO.
However the idea's been around for a lot longer than Wynne was Premier, and was adopted as 'official' policy of agencies like Waterfront Toronto since 2013, after they had studied both repair/replacement and realignment of the present doomed and dying structure. Remember the Eastern section we've already removed, (without the traffic chaos predicted by me among others) lasted for just 35 years from opening day to jackhammers. Better we shoulda widened and improved Lakeshore back then instead of wasting the money stacking concrete in the air for a few decades only to tear it down. We'd have had money to do a decent job at Carlaw, Leslie and Woodbine and still had cash leftover.

But democracy prevailed over the experts — the same democracy the Dougie says is totally dysfunctional and only a dictator can fix — and we're gonna do the concrete in the air thing all over again.
 

Bud Plug

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However the idea's been around for a lot longer than Wynne was Premier, and was adopted as 'official' policy of agencies like Waterfront Toronto since 2013, after they had studied both repair/replacement and realignment of the present doomed and dying structure. Remember the Eastern section we've already removed, (without the traffic chaos predicted by me among others) lasted for just 35 years from opening day to jackhammers. Better we shoulda widened and improved Lakeshore back then instead of wasting the money stacking concrete in the air for a few decades only to tear it down. We'd have had money to do a decent job at Carlaw, Leslie and Woodbine and still had cash leftover.

But democracy prevailed over the experts — the same democracy the Dougie says is totally dysfunctional and only a dictator can fix — and we're gonna do the concrete in the air thing all over again.
There's no doubt, given our weather and the volume of traffic on the Gardiner, that building a tunnel would be more durable than an elevated highway. I assume that the comparative costs have made that option prohibitive, so a highway in the sky it must be (until tunneling technology takes a leap forward in efficiency). The 401 is horrible enough as it is. Just imagine what it would be like if there were no highway link between the QEW and the DVP.
 

oldjones

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There's no doubt, given our weather and the volume of traffic on the Gardiner, that building a tunnel would be more durable than an elevated highway. I assume that the comparative costs have made that option prohibitive, so a highway in the sky it must be (until tunneling technology takes a leap forward in efficiency). The 401 is horrible enough as it is. Just imagine what it would be like if there were no highway link between the QEW and the DVP.
Hey, I live in the East end. I easily cope everyday with no useful access to the DVP south of the Don River and O'Connor.

Not a problem, especially when I look down on the Parkway and see the traffic inching way slower than I'm jogging. And although my neighbours and I lost a few clicks of elevated highway, and the City cheaped out bigtime on rebuilding access to 'improved' Lakeshore that they still haven't the money to fix, getting downtown and out the other side that way is no worse than before. Better if I avoid the highway routes entirely.

Point definitely not made. Ditto for waterfront tunnels that are as prone to leaking as elevated roads are to falling; neither decay ever stops. Highways for cars are the problem, not the answer.
 

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Hey, I live in the East end. I easily cope everyday with no useful access to the DVP south of the Don River and O'Connor.

Not a problem, especially when I look down on the Parkway and see the traffic inching way slower than I'm jogging. And although my neighbours and I lost a few clicks of elevated highway, and the City cheaped out bigtime on rebuilding access to 'improved' Lakeshore that they still haven't the money to fix, getting downtown and out the other side that way is no worse than before. Better if I avoid the highway routes entirely.

Point definitely not made. Ditto for waterfront tunnels that are as prone to leaking as elevated roads are to falling; neither decay ever stops. Highways for cars are the problem, not the answer.
I think you are ignoring the fact that there are 24 hours in a day, and the times you are observing the DVP might not be providing you with the full picture. The DVP is certainly horrible between 6:30 am and 10:30 am, and from about 2:30 pm to 7:00 pm., but the fact that there are times during the day that even having the Gardiner link to the DVP is inadequate to provide any functioning highway transit system is not an argument to make things even worse, and deprive people of reasonable road transit at ANY time of the day!

Highways for cars are not the problem. The absence of any practical public transit alternative is the problem. Without transit, making the road work as effectively as possible for cars is the only constructive choice. Or you could change the zoning laws to effectively ban employers from establishing workplaces in the core of the city. Of course, that would radically raise municipal residential property taxes.
 

oldjones

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I think you are ignoring the fact that there are 24 hours in a day, and the times you are observing the DVP might not be providing you with the full picture. The DVP is certainly horrible between 6:30 am and 10:30 am, and from about 2:30 pm to 7:00 pm., but the fact that there are times during the day that even having the Gardiner link to the DVP is inadequate to provide any functioning highway transit system is not an argument to make things even worse, and deprive people of reasonable road transit at ANY time of the day!
oldjones said:
And although my neighbours and I lost a few clicks of elevated highway, and the City cheaped out bigtime on rebuilding access to 'improved' Lakeshore that they still haven't the money to fix, getting downtown and out the other side that way is no worse than before.
BudPlug said:
Highways for cars are not the problem. The absence of any practical public transit alternative is the problem. Without transit, making the road work as effectively as possible for cars is the only constructive choice. Or you could change the zoning laws to effectively ban employers from establishing workplaces in the core of the city. Of course, that would radically raise municipal residential property taxes.
Building and maintaining overly-expensive elevated highways for cars instead of mass heavy rail transit for people we've known we needed since 1912 is indeed the problem. In fact you may not know it, but some transit does exist and it functions reasonably well in the Gardiner DVP area. It's entirely preferable to taking a car downtown. It'd be even better if Rob's Mob hadn't stuck us with his stupid Scarburrow, and we'd built Transit City and gotten the DRL three years further on. Fixing wide-ass, car-loving stupid that keeps mucking with useful stuff like King St. so they can drive there like lemmings is a slow process.
 

explorerzip

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Building and maintaining overly-expensive elevated highways for cars instead of mass heavy rail transit for people we've known we needed since 1912 is indeed the problem. In fact you may not know it, but some transit does exist and it functions reasonably well in the Gardiner DVP area. It's entirely preferable to taking a car downtown. It'd be even better if Rob's Mob hadn't stuck us with his stupid Scarburrow, and we'd built Transit City and gotten the DRL three years further on. Fixing wide-ass, car-loving stupid that keeps mucking with useful stuff like King St. so they can drive there like lemmings is a slow process.
An LRT system only makes sense if transit has a dedicated right of way and has signal priority over cars. This is why we still have streetcars bunching along Spadina and St Clair even though they are in dedicated rights of way. The YRT Viva buses also have the same problem. The buses run in dedicated rights of way, but still must wait for left turning traffic.
 

ogibowt

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Like every other Liberal politician, she was double-dipping...and it's a wonder she even had time to do any "planning":

"But what really upset many councillors was the amount of time she spent outside of the office attending conferences, speaking engagements and doing TEDxToronto talks and You Tube videos. There were repeated questions about how she had time to do so, how her work as a planner was getting done, and whether it was a conflict to be paid for some of these engagements over and above her $246,000 salary in 2016?"

Justin Di Ciano, who was vice-chairman of the city’s planning committee, said while she talks about “leadership and accountability” in the current mayoralty campaign, taxpayers need to know she took paid speaking engagements throughout the life of her five-year contract with the city and refused to say who was paying her.

She says she claimed she was doing the speaking engagements as a “private citizen.

“She was a public servant… Now she’s running as mayor…I’d like to know who was paying her for her speeches,” he said. “She was taking money on the side to speak about planning issues…who was paying her?”

https://torontosun.com/news/local-news/levy-planner-or-self-promoter-who-is-the-real-jennifer-keesmaat
its nice you quoted a guy who has ethics problems himself...it takes a lot of shameless gall for a guy like Di Ciano to lecture about somebody being in somebodies pocket, when he has close ties to Dunpar, a developer who wanted to build over questionable clean land over a railway yard in South Etobicoke, ...just another greasy slimy hump in a developer,s pocket and being investigated by the RCMP..as a guy who lives in South Etobicoke I hope both Grimes and this guy gets the boot
 

Boober69

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What is your pre-occupation with Sue-Ann Levy as a reliable, balanced news source?
Oh I don't know...maybe because she has spent more years reporting on Toronto politics than most journalists in this city?
Not reputable enough for you?
 

Boober69

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I don't see any 'unicorn fantasy projects' listed in Sue Ann Levy's diatribe, just a list of possible revenue tools to fund the needs of the citizens of Toronto.
First response to this thread I offered was that if you want to be taxed to death vote for her. All of her big dream projects come with significantly raising taxes.
Are you unhappy about only paying the taxes we are now and want to pay more?
 

Boober69

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its nice you quoted a guy who has ethics problems himself...it takes a lot of shameless gall for a guy like Di Ciano to lecture about somebody being in somebodies pocket, when he has close ties to Dunpar, a developer who wanted to build over questionable clean land over a railway yard in South Etobicoke, ...just another greasy slimy hump in a developer,s pocket and being investigated by the RCMP..as a guy who lives in South Etobicoke I hope both Grimes and this guy gets the boot
Did you hear about that while attending one of her lucrative speaking engagements?
 
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