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I have no idea whether or not he used the word or if a tape exists but the fact that these or other women never heard him use the word or aware of such a tape is meaningless and does not disprove either. I never heard Trump use the n-wor either and I have never seen the tape. So what. But of course you know that
Sure, but when people make serious accusations like that they need to come up with proof or STFU
 

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Sure, but when people make serious accusations like that they need to come up with proof or STFU
It is always convenient to ask for proof etc. but regrettably that is not the way the world works. She says she heard it. I have no idea whether she has or not and she certainly has credibility problems. She has lied and therefore she must be lying about this. But Trump has been caught in many more lies than her so must he be lying?
 

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Penn Jillette Says Trump 'Apprentice' Tapes Exist: "I Was in the Room"

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/entertain...exist-i-was-in-the-room/ar-BBLWcNS?li=AAggFp5

"Penn Jillette says he knows for a fact Mark Burnett possesses tapes of President Donald Trump saying disparaging, racist remarks while working on the NBC reality show, Celebrity Apprentice.

The other half of the magician duo Penn and Teller (who appeared on Celebrity Apprentice in 2012) recently told Vulture he is positive recordings exist because "I was in the room" when Trump would say "racially insensitive things that made me uncomfortable.
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Sure, but when people make serious accusations like that they need to come up with proof or STFU
Calm down. When has Trump ever come up with proof of his serious accusations??

"2 black women" lol. Phil, even black women have names.

1st: Even if Trump said it, it's not going to make a difference to his 35% core base ..... they will likely celebrate it. There's 100% proof that Trump bragged about women: "You can do anything. Grab them by the pussy. You can do anything" and this made no difference either.
Funny - Trump also denied the "grab pussy" comment. Paraded out people saying he's not that kind of man. Attacked his accusers. Terb's righties all denied it. But it was 100% true.

2nd: Anyone who is in the current Whitehouse and are right leaning politically (like your "2 black women") are going to deny, deny, deny. They aren't under oath. They have a lot to lose and we know Trump is a very vengeful person - they would lose their jobs, thier reputations, be attacked personally, receive death threats, etc. Even jcpro said Trump won't let people away with this and he would start witch-hunts against them using the resources of the gov't. Of-course Frank Lutz is going to deny hearing anything, he's a Republican political consultant

3rd: The 1st tape according to Omarosa Is held by someone who works in the White House. Who-ever possess it is covered under non-disclosure and if they are a loyal Republican, we're never going to hear that tape unless it's subpoenaed. Omarosa will have to name a name and then there will have to be a legal reason to subpoena it.

4th: The Apprentice tape has been confirmed by Penn Jillette and Jillette confirmed that he heard Trump's racist remarks himself.

5th: Trump claimed yesterday that Burnett contacted him personally and assured him there were no tapes. Trump it appears has not been entirely truthful. Burnett in 2016 said he would not release The Apprentice tape to the public for review (at that time, for material specifically related to Trump's comments about women). Burnett has said he had not reviewed the tapes himself (there are 1000s of hours). Further Burnett does not own the tapes, they are owned by MGM and the tapes are protected under non-disclosure. As of today, Burnett has not commented on any of this and Burnett's assistant is not aware of the conversation with Trump (which doesn't prove anything, he may simply not be involved).

6th: It can be argued that Omarosa has come up with proof. She's named 1 name so far and claims she has the other. Those people are free to deny or lie at this point in time as they are not under oath. Since no law has been broken, I'm not sure how they can be compelled to speak under oath.

For the record, I don't like Omarosa either. She was annoying as hell on The Apprentice but that was the job she was hired to do. I suspect a lot of what is in the book has been twisted and therefore untrue. But Omarosa is smart as hell (Trump obviously thought so too) and I guarantee you she has all kinds of materials that she will release in the next few months to back-up her book. This like our porn-star friend will be non-news in a few months. We'll probably be talking about the divorce then.
 
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You are desperate if you consider Omarosa a reliable font of information.

And that Gallop poll where less than 1% thought Russia was important is far more telling.

It'll be fun as you either wear the shame in your sig or even better show yourself as bigger weasel.
Yesterday you implied the "less than 1% thought Russia was important" was Frank's poll: https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/14/polit...ion/index.html In that poll the actual number was 68% felt it was important.

I just looked through the Gallup polls and can't find the one you mentioned. Can you please post a link.

I'm guessing you may be referring to that older (Feb-April) poll by Gallup that asked an entirely different question: What American's views were of the top problems facing the US. The poll itself DID NOT state what you claimed it did, but several right-leaning parrot sites tried to make that claim (http://thefederalist.com/2018/07/20/poll-americans-dont-give-hoot-called-russian-collusion/)
https://news.gallup.com/poll/237389...0Top%20of%20Most%20Important%20Problem%20List
 

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Calm down
Your remote emotion reading machine needs a tune up, I'm perfectly calm

1st: Even if Trump said it, it's not going to make a difference to his 35% core base
Where did you get the 35% stat?? Did you come up with it yourself??

they will likely celebrate it
I certainly wouldnt. And I dont think a lot of other people would either.
N-word is not very nice

There's 100% proof that Trump bragged about women: "You can do anything. Grab them by the pussy. You can do anything" and this made no difference either.
Funny - Trump also denied the "grab pussy" comment. Paraded out people saying he's not that kind of man. Attacked his accusers. Terb's righties all denied it. But it was 100% true
Keep in mind Trump said "when you're a star, they let you do it". Trump did not say he forces himself on women who dont let him touch them.

BTW can I remind you what site you're on. I assume when you pay SP's you are also allowed to grab them by the pussy, because they let you do it.
Or is this the part where you claim you only read Terb for the articles and you've never paid an SP in your entire life??

2nd: Anyone who is in the current Whitehouse and are right leaning politically (like your "2 black women") are going to deny, deny, deny. They aren't under oath. They have a lot to lose and we know Trump is a very vengeful person - they would lose their jobs, thier reputations, be attacked personally, receive death threats, etc. Even jcpro said Trump won't let people away with this and he would start witch-hunts against them using the resources of the gov't. Of-course Frank Lutz is going to deny hearing anything, he's a Republican political consultant
Going by the 2 interviews that I posted I dont believe they would defend Trump if he had said the N-word.
I think they would probably quit their job, and if interviewed they would just say no comment when asked if Trump ever said N-word.
They seemed pretty earnest that they've never heard Trump say the word

3rd: The 1st tape according to Omarosa Is held by someone who works in the White House
No!! Omarosa claims someone in the WH holds it. That doesnt make it so

4th: The Apprentice tape has been confirmed by Penn Jillette and Jillette confirmed that he heard Trump's racist remarks himself
Nope!! Also not true. In fact Penn isnt exactly sure what Trump said. He cant even remember the exact details.
Here are his exact words (not exactly a star witness): https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/14/entertainment/penn-jillette-trump-apprentice/index.html

"He would say racially insensitive things that made me uncomfortable," Jillette told Vulture in an interview. "I don't think he ever said anything in that room like 'African Americans are inferior' or anything about rape or grabbing women, but of those two hours every other day in a room with him, every ten minutes was fingernails on chalkboard."
Asked if tapes of Trump making those comments exist, Jillette said, "Yeah, I was in the room."

Jillette gave one example of Trump speaking about women in a demeaning way, but declined to provide more specifics.
"If Donald Trump had not become president, I would tell you all the stories. But the stakes are now high and I am an unreliable narrator," he said. "What I do, as much as anything, is I'm a storyteller. And storytellers are liars. So I can emotionally tell you things that happened racially, sexually, and that showed stupidity and lack of compassion when I was in the room with Donald Trump and I guarantee you that I will get details wrong."
6th: It can be argued that Omarosa has come up with proof. She's named 1 name so far and claims she has the other
I'm not sure who that person is, but Luntz has already said Omarosa is full of shit.
That doesnt exactly give her much credibility.

From Luntz's verified twitter acct:



For the record, I don't like Omarosa either. She was annoying as hell on The Apprentice but that was the job she was hired to do. I suspect a lot of what is in the book has been twisted and therefore untrue. But Omarosa is smart as hell (Trump obviously thought so too) and I guarantee you she has all kinds of materials that she will release in the next few months to back-up her book
If Trump said the N-word in a derogatory matter I will lose all respect for him.
I would still support his economic policies, but I wouldnt support him as a person.

Simple as that
 

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Yesterday you implied the "less than 1% thought Russia was important" was Frank's poll: https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/14/polit...ion/index.html In that poll the actual number was 68% felt it was important.

I just looked through the Gallup polls and can't find the one you mentioned. Can you please post a link.

I'm guessing you may be referring to that older (Feb-April) poll by Gallup that asked an entirely different question: What American's views were of the top problems facing the US. The poll itself DID NOT state what you claimed it did, but several right-leaning parrot sites tried to make that claim (http://thefederalist.com/2018/07/20/poll-americans-dont-give-hoot-called-russian-collusion/)
https://news.gallup.com/poll/237389...0Top%20of%20Most%20Important%20Problem%20List
Did you read the date posted for your Gallop link?

Late July. Now why would Gallop publish a Feb poll in July.

In other words you are wrong. And your CNN link goes nowhere.

I doubt very much 68% in a scientific poll care. Online maybe. But that's not relevant.

Frankie does this. Puts up links that's don't back up his stories. Don't do the same.
 

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Sure, but when people make serious accusations like that they need to come up with proof or STFU
how is that a serious accusation against someone who has been consistently pushing Obama's birth certificate conspiracy theory and profiting from it? And called african countries "shithole countries"? Calling trump racist is barely an accusation, it rather is a statement of a very obvious fact.

The problem is that majority of his supporters are either racist or stupid enough to ignore racism or both.
 

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Did you read the date posted for your Gallop link?
Late July. Now why would Gallop publish a Feb poll in July.
I asked you what study YOU used. Since I know you don't typically back-up your comments I went ahead and looked through several gallup polls till I found one that sort-of aligned to your comments. Turns out I was right as per b4u's post. Yes, I was aware of the date as I looked through the raw data and read how the survey was conducted and the exact questions asked. Data is collected for a period of time before the poll is actually published - often 30-60 days before, the data is then analyzed and published. In this case some of the data was collected in February - April.

In other words you are wrong. And your CNN link goes nowhere.
Is July not older than August? Therefore is Frank's poll not more contemporary than your poll?
Oops - The CNN link was from your post #5697 yesterday in the President-Donald-Trump-In-the-News thread. I copied it from your post, I should have copied it from the actual website.
Corrected CNN Link: https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/14/politics/cnn-poll-trump-russia-election/index.html
The full report: http://cdn.cnn.com/cnn/2018/images/08/13/rel7a.-.trump2c.russia.pdf See question 5 - you can verify my math if you like.

I doubt very much 68% in a scientific poll care. Online maybe. But that's not relevant.
I trust a scientific poll much more that I trust an individual's opinion (yours in this case). Look at how polls are now performed in the raw data section and described on the gallup webpage - pollsters have improved tremendously since the 2016 election in order to avoid the huge miss that occured then. So far there have been 3 independent polls in various threads that all provide similar numbers.

Remember you were the one who first quoted a poll in the President-Donald-Trump-In-the-News thread, then when you proven wrong, you try blowing polls off as inaccurate. What a joke!

Frankie does this. Puts up links that's don't back up his stories. Don't do the same.
Don't cowardly badmouth Frankie as he's not involved in this conversation. Take responsibility for your own posts and miss-information
 

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A somewhat civil response! Thank-you. I'll respond in kind.

Your remote emotion reading machine needs a tune up, I'm perfectly calm
Your disdain for Omarosa is quite obvious. Like suggesting she "STFU" - she has much right to express her opinion as you do. I object to the fact you've never demanded Troop provide proof or STFU when he makes serious accusations about people.

Where did you get the 35% stat?? Did you come up with it yourself??
Nope. Approximately 3-4 months ago there was part of a thread that debated exactly this. Most people thought that the number was 35-40%. The 35% stat represents the hard-core Republicans who "would still support trump (or any Republican candidate) even if he shot someone on Park avenue" (I'm paraphrasing). The democrats also have a similar 35-40% hard-core support base. If you look at 538 or Rasmussen popularity polls Trump popularity rarely falls below 35% and typically hovers in the 35-40% strongly approve area.


I certainly wouldnt. And I dont think a lot of other people would either. N-word is not very nice
I was referencing the white supremacists, skin heads, etc. The White house spin doctors explain some of Trump's more colourful insults as "he says it like he sees it", "he's a plain talker" etc. I don't believe that.
For example calling Omarosa or any other person a dog is totally inappropriate IMHO. Same as "has-been", "loser", "dumbest", "fool", "idiot" and the 100 other words he uses. Barely acceptable man-to-man but totally unacceptable and cowardly from a company/political leader and especially from the POTUS.


Keep in mind Trump said "when you're a star, they let you do it". Trump did not say he forces himself on women who dont let him touch them.
1/2 true, lets not forget quite a few women came forward and claimed they didn't allow it (yes I accept some of them may have lied). Miss Universe contestants also objected to him barging into their changing rooms. Latoya Jackson and Joan Rivers daughter had to hire a bodyguard after Trump barged in on the set of Apprentice. I absolutely guarantee you not every woman will let Trump just start kissing them and grabbing their pussy - star or not. Where there is smoke there's fire, please be honest at least with yourself Phil, little doubt Trump has done it and been rejected - he's a big-time sexual sleaze.

But that was not the point of my original comment. My point was those pussy comments in no way hurt his standings among his core base, I don't believe use of the n-word (proven or not) will hurt him much either. The spin-doctors will try to blow it off as misquoted, bad humour, locker room talk or whatever.

And my other point was Trump initially denied all of this. He paraded people who lied to support him. He attacked his accusers, he even threatened to sue them. Proof was then provided, Trump apologized, but the point was he indeed did it, he lied and people lied for him.

BTW can I remind you what site you're on. I assume when you pay SP's you are also allowed to grab them by the pussy, because they let you do it.
Or is this the part where you claim you only read Terb for the articles and you've never paid an SP in your entire life??
No, I'm a former SC guy, I've never hired an SP.
No - just because a person hires an SP DOES NOT give them the right to do what they want how they want. The ladies have rules and should be treated with respect. I'm disappointed by your callous attitude towards women.

Going by the 2 interviews that I posted I dont believe they would defend Trump if he had said the N-word.
I think they would probably quit their job, and if interviewed they would just say no comment when asked if Trump ever said N-word.
They seemed pretty earnest that they've never heard Trump say the word
I also saw both interviews, I agree, they probably didn't hear Trump say the n-word. But I also believe both - very much like nasty Omarosa - are political opportunists. If they know something, they would most-likely weigh the benefit to themselves of keeping their mouths shut and gaining points with Trump. People lie in politics all the time, this is why I'm saying Omarosa is also likely lying.


No!! Omarosa claims someone in the WH holds it. That doesnt make it so
That's the meaning of what I said" "according to Omarosa" = Omarosa claims. Don't start being difficult please.


Nope!! Also not true. In fact Penn isnt exactly sure what Trump said. He cant even remember the exact details.
Here are his exact words (not exactly a star witness): https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/14/entertainment/penn-jillette-trump-apprentice/index.html
Your post is basically supporting what I said. Did you watch the interview?


I'm not sure who that person is, but Luntz has already said Omarosa is full of shit.
That doesnt exactly give her much credibility.
From Wiki: Frank Luntz is an American political consultant, pollster, and "public opinion guru" best known for developing talking points and other messaging for various Republican causes. If you read his entire Wiki profile (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Luntz) I think you will see why many people would say Luntz has little credibility. Lutz makes his living helping people like Trump and Gingrich manipulate people through carefully chosen wording. Almost all political operatives on both sides are scumbags.


If Trump said the N-word in a derogatory matter I will lose all respect for him.
I would still support his economic policies, but I wouldnt support him as a person.
Simple as that
With all of the immoral things he's done in his business and political life, all the lies he's told, all the investors he's stolen from, partners he's cheated, all the trades he hasn't paid, the historic facades he's destroyed, his personal insulting of people who have no way to fight back, ------- you draw the line an the n-word?

We've already debated the economic policies thing ...... let's just agree to disagree.
 

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With all of the immoral things he's done in his business and political life, all the lies he's told, all the investors he's stolen from, partners he's cheated, all the trades he hasn't paid, the historic facades he's destroyed, his personal insulting of people who have no way to fight back, ------- you draw the line an the n-word?

We've already debated the economic policies thing ...... let's just agree to disagree.
You are misinterpreting his words, he is not drawing the line in the sand, he is saying that if Trump did use the N word that he would still support trump regardless. "I would not support him as a person" is meaningless and undefined.
 

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You are misinterpreting his words, he is not drawing the line in the sand, he is saying that if Trump did use the N word that he would still support trump regardless. "I would not support him as a person" is meaningless and undefined.
I think Phil was trying to be sincere. Phil stated: use of the n-word is where he "will lose all respect for him" and "but I wouldn't support him as a person". I interpreted that to mean, Phil currently respects Trump as a person and the n-word is where he would finally draw the line. I think the meaning of "I would not support him as a person" is pretty obvious although I would wait and see how that actually manifestes (I'm still trying to be civil).

I've been following Trump since ~2000 when I took my first of many business trips there. I loved the city and began to follow it's history, architecture, happenings and it's minor (and crazy) celebrities including Trump and Giuliani. Trump has always been bit of a joke to most New Yorkers, his BS and shenanigans are well know and Trump has a very special dark place in the hearts of NYC planning and building departments.

My point was, with Trump's long history of nasty and immoral dealings and scams, I find it funny that's it's the n-word that would finally do it for Phil.

I remember watching a newscast early 2000s of a small company owner who had won a competitive contract to lay marble in the lobby of one of Trump's buildings. Proud Italian guy, he brought in marble from Italy, he and his brothers laid it, including some beautiful inlays and detail work. The job was photographed for Architecture magazine (IIRC, might have been another pub) with comments from Trump. Trump's PM approved the marble when it came in and approved the work during each step of the project. When the work was finished, The Trump organization refused to pay ..... seems they wanted a better price after the fact. This eventually went to court at which time The Trump organization claimed the marble was the wrong shade (yet they had approved the marble in writing). The courts ordered Trump Organization to pay the full amount which they then dragged out for another extended period. The guy lost his business, his house, the brothers split and found other work and after a year Trump still hadn't paid the full bill. When Trump was asked for a comment, he said something like "I'm always negotiating for a better deal. This is what I do better than anyone else". The news reporter indicated that there was over 100 similar cases in the courts regarding Trump properties - this was like 2003! Trump has been sued by >400 tradesmen since 2010 for the same thing! The man is scum.
 
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Omarosa releases secret tape of Lara Trump offering her $15K/month campaign job

This gives Omarosa more credibility. Proves that Trump was willing to pay (indirect) hush money to keep the tapes and book out of the public eye.

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/poli...r15k-month-campaign-job/ar-BBM1y3S?li=AAggNb9


Omarosa Manigault Newman, the former reality TV star who became a top White House aide to President Donald Trump, on Thursday released exclusively to MSNBC a secret tape of campaign official Lara Trump offering her a $15,000-a-month job after her she was fired from the administration.

The tape — which, according to Manigault Newman was made on December 16, 2017, just days after she left her White House job — appears to corroborate claims she made in her new book about receiving an offer from the president's re-election campaign. Manigault Newman wrote in her book that the job offer came with the condition of signing a non-disclosure agreement; she said she did not accept it.

On the new tape, Lara Trump says, "It sounds a little like, obviously, that there are some things you've got in the back pocket to pull out. Clearly, if you come on board the campaign, like, we can't have, we got to," she continues, before Manigault Newman interjects, "Oh, God no."

"Everything, everybody, positive, right?" Trump continues.

In an interview with MSNBC's Craig Melvin following the airing of the excerpts, Manigault Newman said the recording was proof of "an attempt" by the Trump team "to buy my silence, to censor me, and to pay me off."

Asked by Melvin if she saw it as "hush money," Manigault Newman responded, "Absolutely."

more .......
 

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Your disdain for Omarosa is quite obvious. Like suggesting she "STFU" - she has much right to express her opinion as you do
She has a right to her opinion, but she doesnt have a right to make up facts. So far I have yet to see this mystery N-word tape

For example calling Omarosa or any other person a dog is totally inappropriate IMHO. Same as "has-been", "loser", "dumbest", "fool", "idiot" and the 100 other words he uses. Barely acceptable man-to-man but totally unacceptable and cowardly from a company/political leader and especially from the POTUS
He speaks his mind. I respect that

1/2 true, lets not forget quite a few women came forward and claimed they didn't allow it (yes I accept some of them may have lied)
I'm glad you can admit that. Its very strange these women never filed criminal complaints or filed lawsuits at the time it happened, and suddenly when Trump runs for office they all come out of the woodwork

No, I'm a former SC guy, I've never hired an SP.
No - just because a person hires an SP DOES NOT give them the right to do what they want how they want. The ladies have rules and should be treated with respect. I'm disappointed by your callous attitude towards women
See, you're twisting things around again. Thats not what I meant at all.
The idea of seeing an SP is to be intimate with her, and that in most cases includes digits.
But you knew that already, and yet you chose to throw another veiled insult out

People lie in politics all the time, this is why I'm saying Omarosa is also likely lying
Great, we agree on something

That's the meaning of what I said" "according to Omarosa" = Omarosa claims. Don't start being difficult please
We've already debated the economic policies thing ...... let's just agree to disagree
Fine by me
 

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You are misinterpreting his words, he is not drawing the line in the sand, he is saying that if Trump did use the N word that he would still support trump regardless. "I would not support him as a person" is meaningless and undefined
Nope, you're another guy who twists things around. Thats not what I said at all.

Take a deep breath and read it again
 

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how is that a serious accusation against someone who has been consistently pushing Obama's birth certificate conspiracy theory and profiting from it?
Both McCain and Cruz were also heavily questioned on their birth place(s). I didnt hear you complain about that:\

Read here: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ate-about-john-mccain/?utm_term=.cdb8d066ac04

So why is it "racist" to question Obama's birthplace??
Should he be above the law just because he's half black??


And called african countries "shithole countries"?
Trump denies he ever said it. Is there audio or video of him saying it??
Please post it. I'd be interested to hear it
 

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Its very strange these women never filed criminal complaints or filed lawsuits at the time it happened, and suddenly when Trump runs for office they all come out of the woodwork
The timing is even more interesting than that. Anderson Cooper co-moderated a Presidential debate on October 9, 2016. The Billy Bush tape had been publicized in the Washington Post on October 7. As a follow up to the tape, Cooper asked Trump whether he had "ever done those things". I remember the particular smirk on Cooper's face as he asked. Trump denied. Then all that week on CNN, amazingly Cooper hosted a horde of women claiming Trump had groped them. Tidy timing. Hard to believe that Cooper didn't already have these women lined up prior to questioning Trump at the debate.

Pretty impressive organization, but I guess the DNC and CNN had been planning their October surprise together for several months by then, no maybe it wasn't all that impressive.
 

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The timing is even more interesting than that. Anderson Cooper co-moderated a Presidential debate on October 9, 2016. The Billy Bush tape had been publicized in the Washington Post on October 7. As a follow up to the tape, Cooper asked Trump whether he had "ever done those things". I remember the particular smirk on Cooper's face as he asked. Trump denied. Then all that week on CNN, amazingly Cooper hosted a horde of women claiming Trump had groped them. Tidy timing. Hard to believe that Cooper didn't already have these women lined up prior to questioning Trump at the debate.

Pretty impressive organization, but I guess the DNC and CNN had been planning their October surprise together for several months by then, no maybe it wasn't all that impressive.
So Bill Cosby and Harvey Weinstein should be released as well?
 
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