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wazup

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No details have come out as far as I know but the jays must know what went on and don't want any part of it. There have to be pictures the cops or prosecution have, what is the standard for releasing them, only during trial I guess?

Getting rid of a generational talent must mean there's mounds (pun) of evidence, no?
 

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No details have come out as far as I know but the jays must know what went on and don't want any part of it. There have to be pictures the cops or prosecution have, what is the standard for releasing them, only during trial I guess?

Getting rid of a generational talent must mean there's mounds (pun) of evidence, no?
Who knows what their reasoning may be. It is all speculation. Even if there is a trade and shapeero gives his reasoning, I trust him as much as I trust trump when it comes to telling the truth.
 

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Osuna traded to Astros for possibly Ken Giles +?????......no other details so far.
 

saxon

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Apparently the Jays decided they no longer wanted Osuna because of the charges pending against him. So they trade him for Giles who was demoted to triple A a few weeks ago for cursing out Astros manager on the mound after being removed from a bad outing. One of the prospects, Paulino was suspended 80 games last year for using PED’s. The Jays gave up a potential superstar closer for a guy with an attitude problem and a prospect who got caught using PED’s.
 

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First of all, Osuna - although very good - isn't a generational talent. He's a Grade A closer. There are several in the league.

Second, remember Billy Koch? How about Randy Myers? Billy was the best closer IMO who ever played for the Jays.... until his arm blew out. Then he was garbage. Gord Ashe dealt for Myers who was a grade A closer w the O's. Myers arrived with a wrecked arm. And yes, once again Ashe had purchased a totally useless POS pitcher who could no longer pitch. (Ashe did this at least once a season in his reign as the Clown on Blue Jays Way).

How long will Osuna's arm last? A year? Three years? As long as Rivera's? That's always the gamble with a closer.

Jays aren't going to content for 2 or 3 years. By that time, Osuna could be on the scrap heap.

Leaving aside the anger issues - i.e. the attack on his gf - the depression and anxiety issues. And the off field antics.
 

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The bigger question is why the hell we had to start a new thread for this topic when we have a whole thread dedicated to the Blue Jays.
 

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Sorry to see Osuna leave. I still think he is the next Mariano Rivera.

For him, he will be pitching in the World Series much sooner than he had expected.

And I am sorry to see that Rogers does not believe in second chances... not setting a very good example for other employers. Very closed minded, stiff upper lip and all that!

Perry
 

saxon

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Sorry to see Osuna leave. I still think he is the next Mariano Rivera.

For him, he will be pitching in the World Series much sooner than he had expected.

And I am sorry to see that Rogers does not believe in second chances... not setting a very good example for other employers. Very closed minded, stiff upper lip and all that!

Perry
You are correct, Blue Jays ownership now telling the media they decided a long time ago that Osuna would never play for the Blue Jays again.
 

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... The Jays gave up a potential superstar closer for a guy with an attitude problem and a prospect who got caught using PED’s.
The player Toronto traded also had some attitude problems, it would seem.
There are other player(s) on the active roster who have also served the 80 game suspension that Paulino went through.
 

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You are correct, Blue Jays ownership now telling the media they decided a long time ago that Osuna would never play for the Blue Jays again.
I mentioned this once Osuna was initially charged. I really liked him as a closer and was hoping he would be back but Rogers is not a baseball organization, they are a media company. They cannot afford to have baggage like Osuna associated with them. Their customer base has much more non blue jay fans than it has blue jay fans. Besides, most blue jay fans will still tune in and support the team, so their short term losses will be minimal.

I hope he has a great career, except when he plays the Jays.
 

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. And yes, once again Ashe had purchased a totally useless POS pitcher who could no longer pitch. (Ashe did this at least once a season in his reign as the Clown on Blue Jays Way).
Was he the GM when we picked up Mike Sirotka from the White Sox in a trade? Don't think he ever threw a single pitch for us. The Jays later claimed to MLB that the Sox sold us damaged goods. We lost the case.
 

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Now what would Rogers do if it was Austin Matthews or John Tavares that got charged for the same offence that got Osuna run out of town?
 

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intelligent move. Toronto is a progressive city and we take assault on a woman seriously. Giles has a good upside and also can use a fresh start. Osuna will be here in September with Astros. I think he will be booed by many (unless somehow the charges are false and I doubt that)
 

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GTA & Thereabouts...
They had to get rid of him just due to the charges against him... You knew it was coming. Justin Verlander's guarded comments speak volumes.

Shit happens... Sometimes, you have a talented pitcher who has to go. Sometimes, you land Baustista, Encarnacion, Donaldson, Tulo, etc. and you go into the playoffs...

The Jays are not the Yankees, Red Sox or Dodgers... We can't buy our team.
 

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GTA & Thereabouts...
Now what would Rogers do if it was Austin Matthews or John Tavares that got charged for the same offence that got Osuna run out of town?
Both would be gone as the Leafs are bigger than Jesus. I think hockey players in general would not get into this situation though...

I thought the young players all go to a 'camp' where they learn how to protect themselves from Puck Bunnies, etc.
 

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Now what would Rogers do if it was Austin Matthews or John Tavares that got charged for the same offence that got Osuna run out of town?
Good question. Rogers is not the sole owner as they have partnered with Bell to own 75% of MLSE. I would say that either of those stars would be shipped out as the organization has shown that it has very strict policies in regards to expected behaviors. I would imagine that contracts of today have some sort of wording on how they will manage situations such as the one Osuna found himself in (right to eliminate non-trade clauses).
 

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Both would be gone as the Leafs are bigger than Jesus. I think hockey players in general would not get into this situation though...

I thought the young players all go to a 'camp' where they learn how to protect themselves from Puck Bunnies, etc.
Hockey players are not immune to this type of behavior. I would suggest that all professional sports teams have serious HR practices/training programs on standards of business conduct. Hell, most of the organizations we work in should have these types of programs in place.
 

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There are pics somewhere and the jays wanted no part of it imo. I think Americans are more forgiving if the player will help them win. Will pics be released, I'm not a lawyer, just play one on here.
 

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The Jays are not the Yankees, Red Sox or Dodgers... We can't buy our team.
I disagree. Rogers has deep, deep pockets (I am sure that Rogers is worth more than the Steinbrenners) and Toronto is one of the biggest markets in the league plus the Jays have no competition in the whole country.

As I've opined, the Jays choose to operate as a small-medium market team despite the above. Toronto had the highest payroll in MLB when they won the WS in '92. Aside from geography there is absolutely zero monetary reason that they cannot acquire players similar to those teams.
 
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