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Ford to slash Toronto city council to 25 councillors from 47, sources say

oldjones

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How is this any different? It was debated in Toronto Council in 2013. https://torontosun.com/2013/07/18/s...enda/wcm/cbe380cd-57d8-4f14-98ce-1bfab23c12c9 Ford's views were well known to the electorate before the 2018 election. The Bill was passed in accord with the procedure of the Legislature. The Fords talked about it frequently both before and after the vote in 2013.

Your attempt at distinction is thin.
Debated and roundly defeated. Subsequently appealed to and failed at the Municipal Board, and never mentioned during that entire election Campaign or the recent one.

Perhaps no one told him campaigns are held so politicians can compete for votes based on their record — this bit he never mentioned — and on their plans and proposals — never mentioned — for the future. Then there's Throne Speech who's entire purpose is to lay out the overall scope of coming legislation — never mentioned — and lastly debate and Committee study, before the bill is voted into law. All of that openness to ensure each bill represents the best that our elected representatives can collectively produce on our behalf.

All of which Doogie did his best to ignore, bypass and subvert. But thanks for the Sun reference, which makes clear the Fords and their rump were the cause of the inefficiencies of Council, and that when DoFo uses the term dysfunction what he's referring to is ordinary democratic debate. It's why he shuts down debate; he loses those.
 

Bud Plug

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Debated and roundly defeated. Subsequently appealed to and failed at the Municipal Board, and never mentioned once during the entire election Campaign, which is held so politicians can compete for votes based on their record — this bit never mentioned — and on their plans and proposals — never mentioned — for the future. Then there's Throne Speech who's entire purpose is to lay out the overall scope of coming legislation — never mentioned — and lastly debate and Committee study, before the bill is voted into law. All of that openness to ensure each bill represents the best that our elected representatives can collectively produce on our behalf.

All of which Doogie did his best to ignore, bypass and subvert. But thanks for the Sun reference, which makes clear the Fords and their rump were the cause of the inefficiencies of Council and that when DoFo uses the term dysfunction what he's referring to is democratic debate. It's why he shuts down debate.
You keep changing the test for democracy. Now the issue has to be debated, and you have to win every debate (even if the debate was with everyone diametrically opposed to you for purely self-serving reasons)! And you have to speak to all your anticipated legislation in your Throne speech (that's a new wrinkle). Do you have to hire some planes to write it in the sky as well? :) Your version of democracy is pretty complicated and unworkable compared to just voting in an election, and voting for someone else if you didn't like what the last guy did. I think maybe that's why democracy actually works like I've described it, rather than your complicated and ever changing description.
 

SirWanker

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FFS, Doug's handlers knew better than to explicitly state the Toronto City Council reduction as part of their election platform, unlike Hudak and his infamous 100K public servant layoff promise.

Next up is Doug's promise to take-over of the Toronto subway system with no details of what that will entail.

Based on his distain for LRTs he'll probably:
  • terminate existing LRT projects, wherever possible, due to lack of funds from Wynne inefficiencies
  • do nothing to improve the existing subway system due to Wynne inefficiencies
  • sell-off the Greenbelt & use the funds for transit development because of Wynne inefficiencies
 

Boober69

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They didn't run a campaign based around the need for more consultation and then completely avoid consultation with a surprise diktat.


p.s. What happened to Ford's promise not to touch the Basic Income pilot?
Life is full of suprises...unless you actually know the history...then it's not a surprise.

Ford never made that promise...a spokeswoman for Lisa Macleod did. Big difference.
 

basketcase

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Fixing it would require managing tax money properly.
Good catch phrase but it's meaningless (unless you think subways are inexpensive).


p.s. On the topic of poor management of tax money, how's that Scarborough one stop subway doing?
 

oldjones

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You keep changing the test for democracy. Now the issue has to be debated, and you have to win every debate (even if the debate was with everyone diametrically opposed to you for purely self-serving reasons)! And you have to speak to all your anticipated legislation in your Throne speech (that's a new wrinkle). Do you have to hire some planes to write it in the sky as well? :) Your version of democracy is pretty complicated and unworkable compared to just voting in an election, and voting for someone else if you didn't like what the last guy did. I think maybe that's why democracy actually works like I've described it, rather than your complicated and ever changing description.
Why is it 'my test' for democracy. Don't you have your own standrds. None of mine have changed: Dougie's Council doo-doo has been and is entirely undemocratic from start to finish.

If you ignore everything that happens in the five years between fixed[sic] elections, indeed you can imagine your description is how democracy works. But that's a fairytale not even you swallow. What would you post about in this Forum if any of it was tre?
 

Ref

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FFS, Doug's handlers knew better than to explicitly state the Toronto City Council reduction as part of their election platform, unlike Hudak and his infamous 100K public servant layoff promise./QUOTE]

All governments end up introducing/implementing plans that were not discussed during an election campaign. The previous Wynn government did not mention selling off Hydro as an example.

This will never change. I am sure there will be more issues that will come out as the new government moves forward with their agenda.
 

K Douglas

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I'd like any person here to give me a valid reason why we should keep 47 councilors instead of 25. Go.
 

Boober69

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Good catch phrase but it's meaningless (unless you think subways are inexpensive).


p.s. On the topic of poor management of tax money, how's that Scarborough one stop subway doing?

Can't be built fast enough! Don't you agree?
 

Ref

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Next up is Doug's promise to take-over of the Toronto subway system with no details of what that will entail.
I think this is an idea that is long overdue. Transit is just not in Toronto, it spans the golden horseshoe and covers several municipalities. Why should Toronto try and tackle the transit issue on it's own? It is too big for them. Time to pass it on to the province and let them integrate with the systems across the GTA.

There are many people outside of Toronto that use the system and there are tens of thousands of people who live in the city for short periods of time. Some leave and some come back.

There will be people who live outside of Toronto that will never use transit, and there will be people who live in Toronto and never use transit.

I do not see how this will be a bad thing.
 

Boober69

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Rob Ford was a crackhead, city council moved to stop the crackhead from doing idiotic things.
Do you really back putting crackheads in power?
Show me the proof that city council removed some of his powers based on the fact that he was using crack.

And I would take a "crackhead" saving me money rather than a leftist tax & spend thief any day.
 
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