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Air Conditioner Noise - Lesson Learned

Promo

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Replaced an old 5 ton air conditioner with a pair of 3 ton 20 Seer heat pumps in a zoned configuration in April. The new units, even with both running are very quiet and vibration free. ~50db at 3 feet outside. The new units sit on a rubber pad which sits on a concrete pad about 6 inches from the house.

Inside the house in the room above the furnaces and where the pipes enter the house, the noise is unbelievable - >80dB with an annoying resonance and vibration that could be felt in most of the house. You can't be in the room when either is running. The furnaces are quiet. Had the installers back and they have no idea what the problem is.

So I Googled ........ and problem solved.

Both sets of refrigerant lines are each covered in a pipe insulator. Every 3 feet over the ~20 foot span the pipes are tightly tie wrapped to the basement joists. I cut the tie wraps and pulled the pipes away from the joists and the noise reduced 80%. I wrapped the pipes in another layer of pipe insulator (~2 inches long) and re- tie wrapped loosely to the joist clamps. Where the pipes entered the house, the pipes were resting on the concrete foundation wall and caulk used to fill the hole. I dug out their caulking, positioned the pipes in the middle of the hole, used some strings to temporarily support the pipes to keep them centered and re-caulked. That eliminated the noise and resonance. The room above the furnace experiences no sound now.

The root problem: somehow the energy in the pipes caused vibrations in the joists and wall because they were so tightly clamped, even though they were wrapped in pipe insulator. It wasn't just the loud noise that caused problems, it was the annoying resonance that carried throughout the house.

Thought I'd pass the info along.
 

Smallcock

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They shouldn't be installing air conditioners if they don't know or don't care to fix problems like that. Don't you just hate it when you hire professionals and they don't give a shit.
 

SirWanker

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Thanks Promo for the info.
@smallcock - that applies to all professionals, some care while others just don't give a damn or are not inquisitive enough.

I had an issue with my AC unit last week where the external heat exchanger unit failed to start up. The first technician appeared to have resolved the issue by identifying the cause as a failing capacitor unit ( leaking fluid). He was a young fellow, courteous and explained the cause with non-technical jargon. Fast forward two days and the same issue reared it's ugly head. This time an older technician came and he determined that a bug contaminated the electric switch. Cleaning the electrical contacts and various spider nests that had accumulated over time, inside the control box, did the trick. Fortunately there was no charge for the second visit but it made me wonder if the first individual spent a little bit more time cleaning up the inside, perhaps a return visit could have been avoided.
 

renuck

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For the OP's situation (and @ Smallcock), could be new units they aren't familiar with all it's quirks yet or could have just been a unique situation to this specific install. Resonances needs everything to be right, a different pipe length or different route may have been enough to throw off a resonance or a multitude of other things and it would have been a nonissue. No matter how long you are in a trade there is no way you can know everything. OP, good job on finding/fixing the issue yourself. Do the installers a favour and give them a call and tell them what you found, I'm sure they'll appreciate it.

Sir Wanker, from your situation it sounds like the original technician fixed the issue - even if only short term. From a trouble shooting standpoint he identified an issue, changed the part, and the problem was gone. Who wouldn't consider it problem solved? If you had also paid him to spend a couple extra hours to go through the rest of the system and maintain it then I'd understand being upset. Thankfully the second guy didn't charge you anything, though he shouldn't anyway.
 
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