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The Cohen Trump tapes.

Frankfooter

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They are real, there are multiple tapes.
First one reports Trump and Cohen talking about paying off a playmate.
Stormy Daniels' lawyer Michael Avenatti on Trump-Cohen tape: 'I know this is the tip of the iceberg'
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/20/sto...s-trump-cohen-tape-is-tip-of-the-iceberg.html

The feds only just got all this material, stand by for more fun.

We've known for a while Michael Cohen taped some of his conversations and investigators had those tapes. What we did not know was whether a tape of President Trump was included or whether the two discussed legally problematic things.

We now know the answers to those questions: Trump was, and they did.

The Washington Post has confirmed that potential turning point of a story. Investigators have a tape of Cohen and Trump discussing purchasing the rights to Playboy model Karen McDougal's story of an alleged affair with Trump from the National Enquirer's parent company, about two months before the 2016 election. The New York Times first reported the story. Trump attorney Rudolph W. Giuliani confirmed the tape exists but said it is actually “exculpatory,” because Trump suggests the payment should be documented, and the payment was not actually made.


Let's assume for a moment that is true and nothing on the tape is, in and of itself, damning. It still raises some important questions, the most important of which is: Why were they even talking about such things?

Our understanding of Trump and Cohen's arrangement was that Cohen handled these matters while deliberately leaving Trump in the dark. That is the defense that has been offered in the case of porn star Stormy Daniels, who actually did get a payment from Cohen. It also seemed to be the Trump team's defense for McDougal. “We have no knowledge of any of this,” spokeswoman Hope Hicks said when it was revealed the National Enquirer had paid for McDougal's story.

That denial has now fallen apart; Trump clearly knew about the Enquirer paying for the story, given he was talking about buying the rights to it. And if Cohen kept Trump in the dark about Daniels, why wouldn't he also keep Trump in the dark about McDougal? Why wall it off for the porn star but not the Playmate? That doesn't make a whole lot of sense.


The other key question is how this plays into the payment McDougal did get from the Enquirer's publisher, American Media Inc. Given the Enquirer is run by Trump ally David Pecker, it has long been alleged and suspected that Pecker was doing Trump a favor by buying McDougal's story and then not running it — a practice known as “catch and kill.” The practical effect was basically the same as Cohen paying Daniels: The woman alleging the affair was not allowed to go public with her claim. And we know, based on The Post's reporting last month, that Cohen was given a heads-up about stories the Enquirer was going to run on Trump. It suggested a very cozy relationship.

There is plenty we still need to learn here, not least of which is what Trump actually said on the tape. But we know now at least the firewall between Trump and Cohen on these matters was not as impenetrable as we have been led to believe. If they talked about this, there is no telling what else they talked about and what else Cohen, who appears increasingly anxious to cooperate with authorities, might be able to spill — that is not already on tape.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...elation/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.f0f8903f98dd
 

Butler1000

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The end result of this will be Cohen losing everything for recording the conversations without client knowledge.

Beyond that you still think Trump can be hurt by a sex scandal?
 

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The end result of this will be Cohen losing everything for recording the conversations without client knowledge.

Beyond that you still think Trump can be hurt by a sex scandal?
The prosecutors already have declared that most of what Cohen did wasn't as a lawyer, which is why hardly any of those docs are protected.
His base won't care about the sex, but this will be more time in court for electoral funding fines.
More cases by women suing him, where he'll lose even more of his tiny ratings with women.
But yes, angry middle aged white guys, like I expect you, won't care.

Apparently Cohen and Avenatti had a chat.
When asked about what he and Cohen discussed during their conversation Monday, Avenatti said, "Had Mr. Trump witnessed this interaction, he would have blown a gasket."
https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/20/politics/michael-avenatti-michael-cohen-meeting/index.html
 

Butler1000

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The prosecutors already have declared that most of what Cohen did wasn't as a lawyer, which is why hardly any of those docs are protected.
His base won't care about the sex, but this will be more time in court for electoral funding fines.
More cases by women suing him, where he'll lose even more of his tiny ratings with women.
But yes, angry middle aged white guys, like I expect you, won't care.

Apparently Cohen and Avenatti had a chat.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/20/politics/michael-avenatti-michael-cohen-meeting/index.html
I don't think you understand. I'm betting he loses his license. And will never work as a lawyer or fixed ever again. The legal costs will wipe him out. He may write a book but that won't help in the long run.

Would you hire or keep a lawyer who recorded your conversations?

As to anything said everything I've read so far indicates nothing illegal. I await further information.
 

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Boy that is fantastic news, no more need for judges. Hell the prosecution just gets to declare what is privileged and what isn't, who what a wonderful world this is! :der:
This coming from the guy who has said no collusion, no obstruction, Mueller has nothing, witch hunt etc. etc. etc.
 

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The end result of this will be Cohen losing everything for recording the conversations without client knowledge.

Beyond that you still think Trump can be hurt by a sex scandal?
Not sure about New York but some states only require the consent of 1 party to conversation and attorney client privilege would only apply if Cohen was acting as Trumps attorney in the particular conversation. That is what the special Master is determining.
 

Butler1000

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Not sure about New York but some states only require the consent of 1 party to conversation and attorney client privilege would only apply if Cohen was acting as Trumps attorney in the particular conversation. That is what the special Master is determining.
Agreed there. But either no client will ever trust him again.
 

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Boy that is fantastic news, no more need for judges. Hell the prosecution just gets to declare what is privileged and what isn't, who what a wonderful world this is! :der:
Clarification.
The judge who has been weeding through Cohen's documents to see where client/attorney privilege applies has found that only a tiny amount is privileged information.
Better?
 

Butler1000

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Classic slight-of-hand misdirection.
Proof that Trump lied and all you have to say is Cohen is a going to lose his license.
Why can't I comment about Cohen. This is about him too right? And any consequences he may have to face.

Last I checked he is the one who was raised for possible crimes UNRELATED TO TRUMP AND THE CAMPAIGN. So why is it misdirection?

Have you evidence of a crime by the President?
 

Butler1000

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According to the reports, Cohen hardly works as a lawyer at all, so it won't have much impact.
And certainly less if he cooperates with the prosecutor.
It's a protection for clients. If he isn't a lawyer privilege doesn't apply.
 

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Why can't I comment about Cohen. This is about him too right? And any consequences he may have to face.

Last I checked he is the one who was raised for possible crimes UNRELATED TO TRUMP AND THE CAMPAIGN. So why is it misdirection?

Have you evidence of a crime by the President?
Paying off Stormy Daniels and McDougal would be illegal campaign funding.
Not major, but trouble.
 

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The main stream media doesn't get that this does not hurt Trump. He got to do what most men and many women would want to do, he "did" that Playboy bunny.

He didn't rape her like Bill Clinton is accused of doing multiple times. Two adults agreed to bang, one adult wanted it to be kept confidential and one adult wanted money.
 

Butler1000

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Paying off Stormy Daniels and McDougal would be illegal campaign funding.
Not major, but trouble.
It isn't. Because in watching CNN apparently this was priveliged and was realised with permission. If true you just got snookered.

Fooled by Trump.......
 

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