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NYPD gives the feds an ultimatum on Eric Garner

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NYPD gives the feds an ultimatum on Eric Garner: Charge the officer who choked him to death, or we will

Four years later, Officer Pantaleo has not been charged and remains on the NYPD payroll.

Tess Owen

Jul 17 2018, 4:28pm

Exactly four years ago, Eric Garner, a black man, died in a police chokehold after they approached him for allegedly selling loose cigarettes in Staten Island. His final words, “I can’t breathe,” became a rallying cry against police brutality and a slogan for the burgeoning Black Lives Matter movement.

Four years later, New York City Police Officer Daniel Pantaleo has not been charged for using the banned chokehold tactic on 43-year-old Garner, and remains on the NYPD payroll on “modified duty.” That’s because the federal civil rights investigation into Garner’s death has dragged on, in part due to a disagreement between New York federal prosecutors and civil rights officials at the Justice Department in D.C.

Now, frustrated by the slow pace of action, the New York Police Department has given the feds an ultimatum: Announce civil rights charges by Aug. 31, or we'll take matters into our own hands.

“Understandably, members of the public in general and the Garner family in particular have grown impatient with the fact that NYPD has not proceeded with our disciplinary proceedings,” wrote the Department’s Deputy Commissioner of Legal Affairs Larry Byrne in a letter Monday. “They have difficulty comprehending a decision to defer to a federal criminal investigation that seems to have no end in sight.”

In December 2014, a Staten Island grand jury declined to indict Pantaleo on criminal charges, a decision that touched off renewed protests across New York City. Garner’s death was captured on video. He was first approached by police officers who suspected that he was selling loose cigarettes on the sidewalk.

Should the Justice Department fail to meet the Aug. 31 deadline, Pantaleo will undergo an internal disciplinary trial, which an NYPD deputy police commissioner will oversee.

Departmental charges, as recommended by the Civilian Complaint Review Board, an external watchdog agency, could result in Pantaleo being fired or suspended from the NYPD.

Career civil rights officials at the DOJ have been pushing to indict Pantaleo, the New York Times**reported**in April. But the decision whether to proceed with an indictment now sits entirely with top-level Justice Department officials, including Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein, who have appeared skeptical as to whether Pantaleo committed a crime, according to the Times.

“We agree that the Justice Department’s leadership should move to close Police Officer Pantaleo’s case and put an end to what has been a highly irregular fishing expedition by those seeking an indictment at all cost,” said Police Benevolent Association Patrick J. Lynch in a**statement. “Police Officer Pantaleo is entitled to due process and an impartial consideration of the facts.”

https://news.vice.com/en_ca/article/zmknm3/nypd-gives-ultimatum-on-eric-garner-charge-the-officer-who-choked-him-to-death-or-we-will
 

Smallcock

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The choke hold was overkill and that officer should be charged with something.
 

HEYHEY

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The choke hold was overkill and that officer should be charged with something.
What should he be charged with? How do you attempt to restrain a guy that size?

Had Eric garner simply complied he'd be alive today. It's not that difficult. Black people need to get one thing through their heads , when a cop tells you to put your hands behind your back, turn around or stop it's in your best interest to listen. You will have your day in court, arguing at the time of arrest has never worked.
But let's protest instead AFTER the fact instead
 

Smallcock

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I don't recall Garner resisting arrest. The choke hold and everything else that followed was excessive for the crime.
 

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What should he be charged with? How do you attempt to restrain a guy that size?

Had Eric garner simply complied he'd be alive today. It's not that difficult. Black people need to get one thing through their heads , when a cop tells you to put your hands behind your back, turn around or stop it's in your best interest to listen. You will have your day in court, arguing at the time of arrest has never worked.
But let's protest instead AFTER the fact instead
Blind obedience is what your advocating, that's how we get things like the Holocaust.

We don't need WHITE PEOPLE like you telling us what to do. You have never had money stolen from you by corrupt cops, or had your nuts grabbed I'm willing to bet.

If a cop cannot do their job without doing an illegal maneuver, they need to get a new job.
 

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Multiple cops dogpiled on top of and choked a dude because he was selling loose cigarettes. That is grossly excessive and showed a severe lack of judgment. People with that poor judgment shouldn’t be cops. That’s really all there is to it. This guy should be getting manslaughter as a minimum.
 

HEYHEY

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Blind obedience is what your advocating, that's how we get things like the Holocaust.

We don't need WHITE PEOPLE like you telling us what to do. You have never had money stolen from you by corrupt cops, or had your nuts grabbed I'm willing to bet.

If a cop cannot do their job without doing an illegal maneuver, they need to get a new job.
No I'm advocating common sense, something all these black lives protesters and people involved in shootings with cops lack.

If a cop is gonna charge you with something you let him cuff you, take you to the police station and you deal with it like a normal human being. You will never win by arguing in the spot or resisting.

And I've had my share of dealing with the police, but I beat them in court. I would have lost had I made a stand on the side of the road. You escalate it enough and you will die.
 

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Let New York take action if they wish to. That is where this should be in the first place State, rather than Federal Court.
 

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Too many cops in US were formerly soldiers in combat zones with the US Armed Forces. They were trained to be aggressive and eliminate any risk when dealing with others. Police training on the use of diplomacy and discussion can’t sufficiently change this. THat said, military training for some gives them confidence to know when force is needed and when it absolutely is not. Now while police aggression is by no means absent in other countries such as Canada and the UK, most of their police are not formerly military and so their training can be more based on teaching a blank slate with no previous combat zone attitudes. This is a bit of a generalization and neither military or police training will fix someone who is already a bigot, a hot head or a racist, but it helps explain why many police in the US seem to escalate to the physical so much more quickly — it’s because they need to eliminate potential threat ASAP.
 

Smallcock

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This song would be a great anthem if police shootings/brutality were rampant. Fortunately, they're only statistical anomalies. It would definitely make sense in places like Mexico or other Third World nations where the cops really are often gang affiliates.


All that said, RIP Garner.
 

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. . . Black people need to get one thing through their heads . . .
I don't know you. I don't know very much about you at all. But as soon as I see "Black people need to . . . I know the writer is a racist. You are prepared to ascribe bad qualities to people simply on the basis of their skin colour.
 

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I don't know you. I don't know very much about you at all. But as soon as I see "Black people need to . . . I know the writer is a racist. You are prepared to ascribe bad qualities to people simply on the basis of their skin colour.
Ok so then let's say I'm a racist
Can you refute any of my points or just attack me personally?
 

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I don't know you. I don't know very much about you at all. But as soon as I see "Black people need to . . . I know the writer is a racist. You are prepared to ascribe bad qualities to people simply on the basis of their skin colour.
When we demand to be protected as a group because of the color of our skin, we should be prepared to be judged as a group.

KK
 

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When we demand to be protected as a group because of the color of our skin, we should be prepared to be judged as a group.

KK
So women, on or as a whole, should be judged if there exists demands for their protection from sexual harassment and rape?


:confused:
 

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Black people need to get one thing through their heads , when a cop tells you to put your hands behind your back, turn around or stop it's in your best interest to listen.
Is this so called advice restricted to black people? If so, is that because unlike with White people they are likely to have less tolerance displayed towards their 'resisting'?

Did those women who got raped by the cop in Oklahoma (Daniel Holtzclaw) take that advice?

Did Tamir resist?
 

HEYHEY

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If you can't restrain someone without an illegal chokehold, you should be a cop.

Do the police follow the laws are not?

And a cop shouldn't kill you if you pull out a fake gun, but why get into a shitty situation in the first place?

Had behaved like a normal person he would still be alive
 

HEYHEY

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Is this so called advice restricted to black people? If so, is that because unlike with White people they are likely to have less tolerance displayed towards their 'resisting'?

Did those women who got raped by the cop in Oklahoma (Daniel Holtzclaw) take that advice?

Did Tamir resist?
You lack common sense. No matter what I say you're not smart enough to understand. Unfortunately stupid people a lot of time pay with their life the same way garner did. Hopefully u don't deal with any cops lol
 

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So women, on or as a whole, should be judged if there exists demands for their protection from sexual harassment and rape?


:confused:
I'm not sure I understand your question. As far as I know both genders are protected equally from sexual harassment and rape.

KK
 
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