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Smallcock

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You'r afraid to spend time there? Is it that there are minorities living there or is it that you are afraid of people in general?
Are you projecting your own feelings?
 

Nesbot

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Not racist, just incredibly ill informed and cowardly which is what most of the world has come to expect from conservatives in North America recently.
 

Jasmine Raine

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What you might have missed is that in the Legislature, he's the one who made a point of mentioning the bulletproof vest. No one had asked him about it but he felt the need of saying he wore a vest. He's a grandstanding idiot playing to his racist base.

BTW. You are missing out on an amazing city (and the mini-golf has been gone for decades).

I didn't miss it. I saw it straight off. And not all cut up into clips.

To me, the guy is not a politician and was just recounting an event that happened. He went on a ride along, he put on the vest, hopping is butt in the back of a cruiser and went on a ride along.

So what is the issue? That he said bulletproof vest? What if he didn't say Jane and Finch? Would it matter then that he wore a vest? What if he said the Briddlepath? You think all those who live there would be shouting racism????

So then the issue is not that he said something about the vest but that he also said the area he was in. I saw a journalist pull a man and his son aside to ask about this. The man said if he had the money, he would wear a vest too. He lives in Jane and Finch. So he is a racist as well????

It is a bunch of hyperbole BS.

As for the city - I don't feel I am missing out on a single thing. But by the same token, many don't feel they are missing out any by not going out into the country, by the lakeside to enjoy a day by the water and night by the fire. To each their own. Mine is to stay the fuck out of Toronto. To be honest, I would go see a Jays game in Buffalo before going to the Rogers Center. If I was interested in the Jays that is. Just sayin'
 

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Politicians need to choose their words wisely. Either he should have never mentioned the vest or state it was a requirement.

Racist - I drove through Jane and Finch area with my doors locked. windows up, and never stopping. There was no issue
Non-racist - I drove through Jane and Finch and it was safe. There was no issue
Non-racist - I drove through Jane and Finch. My windows were up because I had the A/C on and I always lock the doors when driving.

The way he said it implied, on some level, that the area is unsafe and so he wore a bulletproof vest. He needs to choose his words wisely.
 

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Politicians need to choose their words wisely. Either he should have never mentioned the vest or state it was a requirement.

Racist - I drove through Jane and Finch area with my doors locked. windows up, and never stopping. There was no issue
Non-racist - I drove through Jane and Finch and it was safe. There was no issue
Non-racist - I drove through Jane and Finch. My windows were up because I had the A/C on and I always lock the doors when driving.

The way he said it implied, on some level, that the area is unsafe and so he wore a bulletproof vest. He needs to choose his words wisely.
He "implied, on some level"?

I weep for humanity.

KK
 

HEYHEY

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Politicians need to choose their words wisely. Either he should have never mentioned the vest or state it was a requirement.

Racist - I drove through Jane and Finch area with my doors locked. windows up, and never stopping. There was no issue
Non-racist - I drove through Jane and Finch and it was safe. There was no issue
Non-racist - I drove through Jane and Finch. My windows were up because I had the A/C on and I always lock the doors when driving.

The way he said it implied, on some level, that the area is unsafe and so he wore a bulletproof vest. He needs to choose his words wisely.
Lol
But the area is unsafe, plenty of shooting occur there on a regular basis.
Are we supposed to pretend now in order not to offend the people doing the shooting? Hahahh
 

basketcase

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So what is the issue? That he said bulletproof vest? ...
Yes. The fact that he felt it important to add that detail into his comments in the Legislature shows where his thoughts are.

It's possible that he was more influence by media reports and fear of the 'big city' than by racism but either way, his decision to include that detail shows he is either unreasonably fearful or wanting to cast the community in a negative light.

And yes, unreasonable. The area is nowhere near the stereotypical image of US slums.
 

james t kirk

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C-M, what the fuck other district in the city has thousands of young people awake and drunk at that time of the night?? Of course, that's the area with the most 911 calls!

Crime - especially violent crime - is age driven. It occurs most frequently in people 15-30 and drops off markedly as people age and start families. Throw in alcohol. Throw in that these drunk young people are with a peer group. Throw in that the guys want to show off and act tough when women are around.

Those same shit disturbers behave far differently as 35 year old daddies trying to pay off a mortgage. While a small % remain assholes, most settle down and just try and get though adult life.
Quoted for truth.
 

TeeJay

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Racist - I drove through Jane and Finch area with my doors locked. windows up, and never stopping. There was no issue
How exactly is this racist?
(Or are you racistly implying EVERY person in the area to be a specific race?)
 

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Politics.
Can't believe Horvath still campaigning after losing.
Kind of who smelt it dealt it as well too in that it seems to be more Horvaths POV than anyone else's really.
 

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sempel

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How exactly is this racist?
(Or are you racistly implying EVERY person in the area to be a specific race?)
We all know the general demographics of the area. So anything that casts dispersions on the area linking it to people of a certain race is racism/stereotyping. Sadly, this idiot politician did nothing wrong but said something wrong that comes across as racist.

If I say I was on church street and luckily no guy hit on me, that comes across a little badly. It stereotypes the gay community.

The hypothetical statement I made that you quoted is inherently racist by implying that community is unsafe. And even though statistically speaking it's probably true, it doesn't look good when a person makes it seem like we all need to walk around wearing Kevlar vests.
 

Jasmine Raine

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Yes. The fact that he felt it important to add that detail into his comments in the Legislature shows where his thoughts are.

It's possible that he was more influence by media reports and fear of the 'big city' than by racism but either way, his decision to include that detail shows he is either unreasonably fearful or wanting to cast the community in a negative light.

And yes, unreasonable. The area is nowhere near the stereotypical image of US slums.
Well ain't going to get into what is unreasonable after the shooting in TO last night. I feel like that sadly proved my point. I won't go to TO. Thanks.

As for the rest of what you said, thank you for also proving my point.

There was NOTHING racist about what he said. It was factual, truthful and people got ippty because they didn't like the truth.

He didn't make a "decision to include that detail"... He was discussing what happened in a first person narrative that discribed the events as they unfolded. He went to the station, put on the vest, got in the back of the car, went to Jame and Finch .... " blah,blah,blah. He told the truth and it is slimeball politians who jumped on a naive man who is ignorant of politically correct bullshit, and made this into something it is not.

To be honest, no one in Jane and Finch would have known shit about it anyway. It was the media and NDP who blew it out of proportion and told them it was racist and to be pissed off.
 

bigshot

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Well ain't going to get into what is unreasonable after the shooting in TO last night. I feel like that sadly proved my point. I won't go to TO. Thanks.
Exactly. Nobody would have called him out for racism had his ride-along taken them to the Danforth. In what is usually a pretty chill place, it turns out that wearing a vest when riding with the cops is not such a stupid thing after all, regardless of where you are in the city...
 
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GameBoy27

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Exactly. Nobody would have called him out for racism had his ride-along taken them to the Danforth. In what is usually a pretty chill place, it turns out that wearing a vest when riding with the cops is not such a smart thing after all, regardless of where you are in the city...
Don't you mean "stupid."
 

basketcase

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Well ain't going to get into what is unreasonable after the shooting in TO last night. I feel like that sadly proved my point. I won't go to TO. ....
So next time there's a shooting in Huntsville, Barrie, or Ajax...

And yes, he absolutely made the decision to mention he was wearing a vest. He could have more than adequately described going on a ride along without playing to his hick base and their fear of minorities and the big city.
 

Jasmine Raine

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So next time there's a shooting in Huntsville, Barrie, or Ajax...

And yes, he absolutely made the decision to mention he was wearing a vest. He could have more than adequately described going on a ride along without playing to his hick base and their fear of minorities and the big city.
When multiple shootings start happening in Ajax, when the prices sore to high, when it gets too over populated and the attitudes of people start to change to resemble TO - yes I will move from Durham. Why is that so hard to believe. I do not like Toronto. I won't go to Toronto if I can avoid it. That is my personal feeling. Accept it buddy. Sorry that your city is not one that I want to partake in. I don't like zucchini either. Do you want to try and convince me that is good or other vegetables are bad???? Why are you forcing a debate on my personal feelings regarding Toronto? Is it because you personally feel insulted that I don't like your city????? But if I said New York or some other US city, that would be acceptable to you?

Kind of like this guy who you already said that if Jane and Finch was NOT said then this would be a moot point as well.

See - it has nothing to with racism. It is just people personally butt hurt that people don't like their area or feel it to be unsafe. Just like you don't like that I don't like Toronto. Nothing racist there either.

Although can you please tell me how you KNOW he made the conscious choice to mention Jane and Finch and bulletproof vest in the same sentence and that it was to play to his "hick" base??? BTW is that racist? Calling his supporters hicks? As in what? Dumb white people?????

Stop looking for things to be butt hurt over. People have the right to feel and think how they want. I don't like Toronto and I am not going to Toronto if I don't have to. I don't feel like I am missing out at all. He wore a bulletproof vest in a ride along that took him to places of multiple shooting sites which happened to be Jane and Finch. Don't like it then go into the neighbourhood and clean it the fuck up

When a black man and his son were stopped at a mall in J&F, and asked by a reporter how he felt about what was said, he gave the most honest answers. He said:

1. Violence in black neighbourhoods is more different and violent then any other neighbourhood.
2. If he could afford a vest, he would be wearing right now
3. Too many single family homes with 3,4,5 kids making it easier for people to be ignorant of what is going on around them.
4. People are purposely ignorant and black people need to stop that. When you see your teenage son with new Jordan's, no job and not going to school? What do you think he is doing?
5. It needs to start here with black people first but I am happy someone is coming to try and look at our community.

These were the 5 main take-a-ways from that interview. That was one smart man and he was bang on. But he was allowed to say those things because he is black. Doesn't matter that they are all true statements. Because he is black is okay to say.

Well sorry but I think that is a bunch of bullshit. If only one race can't talk about some of the serious problems they are having in a community then that community is not going to get the help it needs. Not in a country of muiculturism like canada/Toronto.

In my opinion, the man cared enough to show up and go visit these places. With a intent to do something about it and all you want to do is harp on the words bulletproof vest and J&F. Pretty fucking sad if you ask me. When so many better things could have been done with the time wasted debating this stupidity.

I think both of us have said our piece. I know I have. So I done with this debate now I think.

Have a good day and please try not to get shot, robbed, stabbed, or killed by a car while riding your bike in the city you love so much. Good luck.
 
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