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https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/poli...ke-of-trumps-presidency/ar-AAAaFcr?li=AAggFp5

Wow. Gingrich criticizing Trump. Hell has indeed frozen over.

Tweet: President Trump must clarify his statements in Helsinki on our intelligence system and Putin. It is the most serious mistake of his presidency and must be corrected—-immediately.


Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich (R-Ga.), a longtime supporter of President Trump, declared on Monday that Trump's performance at a news conference with Russian President Vladimir Putin was "the most serious mistake of his presidency."

The comments from the former House speaker came after the U.S. president challenged his own intelligence community's conclusion that Moscow interfered in the 2016 election during a joint news conference with Putin.

"They said they think it's Russia. I have President Putin - he just said it's not Russia," Trump said, adding that he does not "see any reason why it would be" Russia.

Trump has repeatedly criticized the special counsel investigation into possible collusion between his campaign and Russia. But his remarks on Monday were an extraordinary break from his own administration, which last week indicted 12 Russian officials on charges of hacking Democratic servers in 2016.

The president's comments prompted criticism from both sides of the aisle and a statement from Director of National Intelligence Dan Coats standing by the intelligence community's determination that Russia interfered in the 2016 election.

"We have been clear in our assessments of Russian meddling in the 2016 election and their ongoing, pervasive efforts to undermine our democracy, and we will continue to provide unvarnished and objective intelligence in support of our national security," Coats said.
 

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Even Fox News is openly critical of Trump

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/poli...sgusting’-putin-presser/ar-AAAaKRs?li=AAggFp5

Several prominent Fox News hosts could not believe what they saw Monday in President Trump’s overtly deferential presser with Russian President Vladimir Putin.

The joint conference in Helsinki took a turn for the shocking when, after being asked by Reuters whether he held Russia responsible for meddling in the 2016 election, Trump said he holds “both sides responsible.” The president also directly contradicted his own intelligence officials, saying he believes Putin when he says Russia did not intervene in the election.

Following the presser, Fox News anchor Neil Cavuto—appearing on the Fox Business Network—called it a “disgusting” display.

Trump was “essentially letting the guy get away with this, not even offering a mild, a mild criticism,” Cavuto said. “That’s what made his performance disgusting. Only way I feel. Not a right or left thing to me. It is wrong.”

Fellow Fox host Stuart Varney, who routinely boosts Trump’s policies, bashed the president for what was “not a very forceful presentation.” Two of the conservative host’s guests joined in, saying Putin came out ahead.

He outmaneuvered our president,” FBN business reporter Ashley Webster said. “I was very surprised. I thought Trump was going to push hard.”

Fox & Friends Weekend host Abby Huntsman—daughter of Jon Huntsman, Trump’s ambassador to Russia—also minced no words in criticizing the president whom she regularly defends.

No negotiation is worth throwing your own people and country under the bus,” she wrote in a forceful tweet following the presser. Her comment appeared to be pushing back on an emerging pro-Trump argument that the president’s deference to Putin was a means to making diplomatic in-roads with Russia.

Some of the network’s political correspondents seemingly agreed that Trump had failed.

White House correspondent Kevin Corke, who has previously flirted with alt-right politics, conceded on-air that Trump “did miss an opportunity,” while national correspondent Ed Henry said the president’s refusal to side with U.S. intelligence agencies was “really going to backfire on him.”

Brit Hume, a former anchor turned correspondent, wrote on Twitter that Trump’s “vague and rambling” answer on whether he believes Russia interfered in 2016 was a “lame response, to say the least.”

Other Fox personalities took issue with the presser, but suggested it was part of a grander Trump strategy.

On Fox News’ daytime talk show Outnumbered, host Kennedy said she doubted that Trump actually believed Putin’s denial of interference, but acknowledged that she “would like to see the president be more forceful.”

Co-host Melissa Francis, however, maintained that it was possible Trump was more forceful during the private meeting with Putin. “You have to view what he's saying outside the room as a PR campaign by the president to send a message to Vladimir Putin,” she said. “We don’t know what happened inside the room, we don't know how tough he was there."

Meanwhile, Fox News’ resident right-leaning media critic Howard Kurtz criticized the president’s “troubling” performance, but then—as is his wont—found a way to make it about the trouble with liberal media.

It’s troubling that Trump wouldn't embrace his own intel agencies’ findings on Russian meddling against the ‘strong & powerful’ Putin denials,” Kurtztweeted. “Liberal commentators denouncing him as Neville Chamberlain, calling for censure & impeachment, also going over the top against Trump.”
 

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Even prominent members of the GOP are speaking out

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/poli...ump-over-putin-comments/ar-AAAavRm?li=AAggFp5

After President Donald Trump's stunning news conference Monday next to Russian President Vladimir Putin, members of Congress -- including some powerful Republicans -- were quick to rebuke Trump's performance on the world stage and Trump's refusal to call Putin out for interfering in the US election.

House Speaker Paul Ryan contradicted several comments Trump made during his Helsinki news conference, most notably backing the US intelligence community assessment that Russia meddled with the US 2016 presidential election.

"There is no question that Russia interfered in our election and continues attempts to undermine democracy here and around the world," said Ryan, a Republican from Wisconsin, in a statement. "That is not just the finding of the American intelligence community but also the House Committee on Intelligence."

Ryan continued, "The president must appreciate that Russia is not our ally. There is no moral equivalence between the United States and Russia, which remains hostile to our most basic values and ideals. The United States must be focused on holding Russia accountable and putting an end to its vile attacks on democracy."

The second-ranking Republican in the Senate, Majority Whip John Cornyn of Texas, told CNN he backed the intelligence community.

"I don't know (whether) the President is trying to use some sort of carrots and stick approach with Putin but I believe the intelligence community," Cornyn told CNN, adding that the recent indictments from special counsel Robert Mueller's probe are "spot on."

Sen. John McCain, an Arizona Republican who has consistently criticized the President, said Trump's comments were "one of the most disgraceful performances by an American president in memory."

Senate Foreign Relations Chairman Bob Corker said the President "made us look like a pushover" and that Putin was probably eating caviar on the plane home.

"I was very disappointed and saddened with the equivalency that he gave between them (the US intelligence agencies) and what Putin was saying," said Corker, a Tennessee Republican who is not seeking re-election.

Trump's comments that appeared to equivocate Putin's denial of Russian election meddling and the US intelligence community's assessment were commonly evoked in the steady stream of criticism. Republican Sen. Ben Sasse, a Republican from Nebraska, issued a blistering statement just minutes after the press conference wrapped.

Sasse rebuked Trump's statement that he held "both countries responsible" for the deteriorated relationship between the United States and Russia.

"This is bizarre and flat-out wrong. The United States is not to blame. America wants a good relationship with the Russian people but Vladimir Putin and his thugs are responsible for Soviet-style aggression," Sasse said in the statement. "When the President plays these moral equivalence games, he gives Putin a propaganda win he desperately needs."

Some Republicans in both the House and Senate -- even some typically seen as allies to the President -- said in the hours following the news conference that they were concerned over what they heard Monday.

"As a member of the House Armed Services Committee, I am deeply troubled by President Trump's defense of Putin against the intelligence agencies of the U.S. & his suggestion of moral equivalence between the U.S. and Russia. Russia poses a grave threat to our national security," said Rep. Liz Cheney, a Wyoming Republican.

Rep. Trey Gowdy, a South Carolina Republican who was among the Republicans leading last week's sharply partisan hearing of FBI agent Peter Strzok, made clear Monday he did not see Russia as a US ally.

"I am confident former CIA Director and current Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, DNI Dan Coats, Ambassador Nikki Haley, FBI Director Chris Wray, Attorney General Jeff Sessions and others will be able to communicate to the President it is possible to conclude Russia interfered with our election in 2016 without delegitimizing his electoral success," Gowdy said in a statement.

Sen. Lindsey Graham, a Republican from South Carolina who has had a close working relationship with Trump on issues related to health care and tax reform, tweeted that the summit was a "missed opportunity."

"Missed opportunity by President Trump to firmly hold Russia accountable for 2016 meddling and deliver a strong warning regarding future elections," Graham tweeted. "This answer by President Trump will be seen by Russia as a sign of weakness and create far more problems than it solves."

Graham also warned Trump to leave a soccer ball, a gift from Putin, outside of the White House.

"If it were me, I'd check the soccer ball for listening devices and never allow it in the White House," Graham said.

Arizona Sen. Jeff Flake, a Republican who has been constant critic, called the President's performance "shameful."

"I never thought I would see the day when our American President would stand on the stage with the Russian President and place blame on the United States for Russian aggression. This is shameful," tweeted Flake, who is not running for re-election.

Republicans show support for US intelligence community
Illinois Republican Rep. Adam Kinzinger called Trump's comments rebuking the US intelligence community assessment "a disservice," though he did not mention Trump by name.

"The American people deserve the truth, & to disregard the legitimacy of our intelligence officials is a disservice to the men & women who serve this country. It's time to wake up & face reality. #Putin is not our friend; he's an enemy to our freedom," Kinzinger tweeted.

The responses came after Trump declined to endorse the US intelligence community's finding that the Russians interfered in the 2016 US election.

Instead, Trump said Putin was "extremely strong and powerful" in his denial.

"I have confidence in both parties," Trump said of Russia and the US intelligence community.

"I have real confidence in my intelligence people, but I must tell you that President Putin was extremely strong and powerful in his denial," Trump said.

A senior GOP congressional aide told CNN it's "shocking he would disrespect our intel community on foreign soil. Next to Putin."

Utah Republican Sen. Orrin Hatch, a key Trump ally, issued a statement backing up the intelligence community, but did not directly criticize the President.

"Russia interfered in the 2016 election," Hatch said in a statement. "Our nation's top intelligence agencies all agree on that point. From the President on down, we must do everything in our power to protect our democracy by securing future elections from foreign influence and interference, regardless of what Vladimir Putin or any other Russian operative says. I trust the good work of our intelligence and law enforcement personnel who have sworn to protect the United States of America from enemies foreign and domestic."

New Jersey Republican Frank LoBiondo, who chairs the House CIA subcommittee, also said Trump missed an opportunity to grill Putin.

"I strongly disagree w/ statement that Russia did not meddle in 2016 election. With all I have seen on House Intel Comm & additional indictments of 12 Russian officers last week, it is clear Russia's intentions. President Trump missed opportunity to hold Putin publicly accountable," tweeted LoBiondo, who is not running for re-election.

Democrats outraged
Senate Intelligence Committee Vice-Chairman Mark Warner, a Democrat from Virginia, tweeted "for the President to side with Putin over his own intelligence officials and blame the United States for Russia's attack on our democracy is a complete disgrace."

Sen. Elizabeth Warren, a Democrat from Massachusetts, said Trump embarrassed the US.

"Once again, @realDonaldTrump takes to the international stage to embarrass America, undermine our institutions, weaken our alliances, & embrace a dictator. Russia interfered in our elections & attacked our democracy. Putin must be held accountable -- not rewarded. Disgraceful," Warren tweeted.

Tim Kaine, a Democrat from Virginia, tweeted that someday the US would "turn the page on this dark chapter," but it would not be easy.

"This is a sad, shameful moment for our great nation. We will reclaim our values and reassert our global leadership. We'll turn the page on this dark chapter. But it won't happen on its own. We all must stand up—to side with U.S. law enforcement and to protect all Americans," Kaine said.
 

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WOW - could FOX be reconsidering their support from Trump?

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/07/trump-fox-news-putin/565346/


When Donald Trump stood side by side with Russian President Vladimir Putin and announced he was taking Putin’s word over that of his own intelligence community, talking heads spun on cable news. And rightfully so.

On CNN, Anderson Cooper called Trump’s performance “disgraceful.” Cooper’s face was noticeably cringing and his voice was shaking. John King called the event “the surrender summit.” Dana Bash said journalists “asked the questions of Vladimir Putin that the president of the United States failed to do.”

Trump is unable to see past himself,” tweeted Brit Hume, a senior political analyst on the network.

There is an avalanche of you-know-what rolling downhill at warp speed toward @realDonaldTrump over this summit. Republicans - even the DNI are throwing bucketsful at him,” tweeted Fox’s chief White House correspondent John Roberts.

Fox & Friends Weekend host Abby Huntsman, who is the daughter of Russian Ambassador Jon Huntsman, tweeted, “No negotiation is worth throwing your own people and country under the bus.”

On air, things were much more even-keeled, but were still far from Fox’s standard laudatory fare. Most of the personalities on air seemed bewildered, like host Bret Baier, who called the performance “surreal.”

Over on the Fox Business Network, the pundits might as well have been working for MSNBC.

Host Neil Cavuto called Trump’s press conference “disgusting.”

Trish Regan, his co-host, appeared flustered, similar to Cooper’s appearance. “He should have defended us,” Regan said. “He should have defended his own intelligence community.”

She tweeted that it was a “horrible performance” and “unpatriotic.” Retired Army General Jack Keane, a Fox national-security analyst, told Regan it was “stunning and disappointing.”

“I don’t think you get a second chance to make a good first impression at a stage and venue like this,” Cavuto added. “I just found that Vladimir Putin appeared to run circles around the president and get him to buy … every single sneaky lie and misstatement he has made on this matter.”

Fox News, known for the conservative bent of its opinion hosts, has been particularly friendly to the Trump administration. Critics have alleged that Fox’s pro-Trump bias has undermined the network’s credibility during this administration.

And there was some run-of-the-mill Trump defense from Fox personalities. Some played the both-sides argument, like Media Buzzhost Howard Kurtz.

“It's troubling that Trump wouldn't embrace his own intel agencies' findings on Russian meddling against the ‘strong & powerful’ Putin denials,” Kurtz tweeted. “Liberal commentators denouncing him as Neville Chamberlain, calling for censure & impeachment, also going over the top against Trump.”

Trump, ever obsessed with cable TV, has consistently favored Fox over its rivals. The president rarely does non-Fox interviews, though administration officials regularly appear across networks. Trump has consistently hired cable personalities for his administration, the latest being former Fox co-president Bill Shine as his communications director. Shine resigned from Fox after allegedly covering up sexual-harassment scandals at the network.

Only Sean Hannity, an unabashed friend and late-night confidant of Trump, played to form Monday on Fox. On his radio show, Hannity railed against conservative critics of Trump.

“I’m watching all of these Republicans and I’m thinking none of them, NONE OF THEM, have the ability to lead anything,” Hannity said.

Hannity’s unwavering admiration for the president remained on full display Monday night during his exclusive, taped interview with Trump from Helsinki.

After a classic opening in which Hannity derided Russian meddling in the U.S. presidential election as a liberal "witch hunt," insulting Democrats, Republicans and the "mainstream media," Hannity questioned Trump with the utmost deference.

"You were very strong at the end of that press conference," Hannity told President Trump in an interview style best that could be most charitably described as gentle.

Despite the criticism, doubt and genuine concern expressed throughout Fox's lineup earlier Monday, Hannity was having none of it. In response to his polite, even laudatory queries, Trump allowed as to how he had managed to reset America’s horrible relations with Russia in a day, possibly avoiding a much more serious conflict.

"Where would you like to be, in a year, both with North Korea and with Russia?" Hannity asked.

"Well I think we're really doing well with Russia as of today,” Trump said. “I thought we were doing horrible before today. Really, I mean horribly. Dangerously."

"It was that big? It was that dramatic today?" Hannity said.

"Oh, I thought it was great today,” said Trump. “But I thought it was really bad five hours ago.”
 

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This time it seems to be different. The amount of outrage from both sides of the aisle is significant.

The GOP is caught in a nightmare position. Going into the midterms with the hardcore activist base likely still pro Trump and the USSC still to be packed with blue ribbon far right judges, they have every reason to lick Trump's balls - as they have been doing for the last few months. But his bizarre foreign policy is likely to undermine US trade and strategic relations and may - just may - cause a reaction at the polls in November. (Although the country is so polarized, that this may not occur even with massive provocation from the Trumpus.)

Trump's behaviour raises the question of whether he really has been compromised by Putin. I'm not talking about anything as silly as the pee tape. I'm talking about a serious multi billion $ bribe. Putin buys western politicians the way other men buy cufflinks. Schroeder (former German chancellor) was bought and paid for. Likely far right politicians like Le Pen and Farage are owned outright. Brexit was heavily suborned by Russia and that leaves open the ? whether Boris Johnson has a trust fund of a $billion in a Swiss Bank paid by Putin.

Putin is smart, utterly ruthless and is the wealthiest and most powerful man ever to have lived. He could throw literally unlimited bribe money at whomever he wished to buy. Compared to Schroeder and Le Pen, Trump is a far more valuable acquisition.

Trump is egotistical, self-centred, non-patriotic, narcissistic, easily manipulated, greedy and is exactly the type of guy who could be bribed and flattered into doing what Putin wants.

Trump's foreign policy is EVERYTHING the Russians could possibly ask for. You think there's a multi billion $$$$$$$$$$ bank account in a bank in Zurich, in the name of a Swiss numbered company owned 100% by DJT? We'd never find out about it, would we? Indirect coded communications through intermediaries? We'd never find out about them. A clandestine meeting in Moscow during the Miss World Pageant? We'd never find out about it. The only people who knew would be Kremlin insiders close to Putin and Trump. If anyone appeared compromised, Putin would kill them within a couple of hours.

The Trump Tower meeting?.... A red herring. Trump insulated from the overt attempts made by Russia to interfere with the election. You think Putin's an amateur???!!!
 

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Surely the "'most serious mistake' of Trump's presidency" was the GOP accepting his nomination papers.

In dollars alone, think what that clerical flub has cost the country. And that's just the Small Stuff.

In spite of their regrets neither he nor they have the foggiest idea how to undo it, or their chains, and must together slog ever-deeper into their Slough of Despond each day.
 

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This time it seems to be different. The amount of outrage from both sides of the aisle is significant.

The GOP is caught in a nightmare position. Going into the midterms with the hardcore activist base likely still pro Trump and the USSC still to be packed with blue ribbon far right judges, they have every reason to lick Trump's balls - as they have been doing for the last few months. But his bizarre foreign policy is likely to undermine US trade and strategic relations and may - just may - cause a reaction at the polls in November. (Although the country is so polarized, that this may not occur even with massive provocation from the Trumpus.)

Trump's behaviour raises the question of whether he really has been compromised by Putin. I'm not talking about anything as silly as the pee tape. I'm talking about a serious multi billion $ bribe. Putin buys western politicians the way other men buy cufflinks. Schroeder (former German chancellor) was bought and paid for. Likely far right politicians like Le Pen and Farage are owned outright. Brexit was heavily suborned by Russia and that leaves open the ? whether Boris Johnson has a trust fund of a $billion in a Swiss Bank paid by Putin.

Putin is smart, utterly ruthless and is the wealthiest and most powerful man ever to have lived. He could throw literally unlimited bribe money at whomever he wished to buy. Compared to Schroeder and Le Pen, Trump is a far more valuable acquisition.

Trump is egotistical, self-centred, non-patriotic, narcissistic, easily manipulated, greedy and is exactly the type of guy who could be bribed and flattered into doing what Putin wants.

Trump's foreign policy is EVERYTHING the Russians could possibly ask for. You think there's a multi billion $$$$$$$$$$ bank account in a bank in Zurich, in the name of a Swiss numbered company owned 100% by DJT? We'd never find out about it, would we? Indirect coded communications through intermediaries? We'd never find out about them. A clandestine meeting in Moscow during the Miss World Pageant? We'd never find out about it. The only people who knew would be Kremlin insiders close to Putin and Trump. If anyone appeared compromised, Putin would kill them within a couple of hours.

The Trump Tower meeting?.... A red herring. Trump insulated from the overt attempts made by Russia to interfere with the election. You think Putin's an amateur???!!!
I agree that the Trump Tower meeting was probably nothing, just Don Jr trying to do a really, really clumsy impression of his dad.
The questions now are how deep can Mueller dig, he's got a few deep and turned witnesses. Looking at the indictments he's also got US intel pretty deep on GRU and their hacking, including personal emails from the specific officers to their families and the tracking of their bitcoin payments. That's not to be sneezed at.

The GOP is pretty screwed, its a terrible time to turn on Trump, just before midterms, but they also can't back him.

Friedman at the NYT kinda nails it.
NYT’s Friedman: Trump is either a Russian asset ‘or really enjoys playing one on TV’
http://thehill.com/homenews/media/3...er-an-asset-of-russian-intelligence-or-really

Either Trump is in way deeper then we suspected or he's really, really stupid.
 

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Either Trump is in way deeper then we suspected or he's really, really stupid.

Or both. Plus slightly nuts.
 

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I'm trying to wrap my head around the criticism Trump is getting from people like Gingrich and Scaramucci - people who are onside with Trumps positions on foreign policy. On my analysis, I don't think either one of them is saying that US intelligence community analysis has to be accepted by Trump, or that he is wrong to try to work with Putin where possible (even if Russia meddled in the 2016 election). I think they are saying that his statements gave the press and his political opponents ammunition that he didn't need to give them. All he had to say is that the matter of interference in US elections had been thoroughly discussed at the summit and that he is confident that Russia will address US concerns seriously. It was an unforced error.

Contrary to the hyperventilation of CNN and its ilk, it is not treasonous for a President to question the analysis that any US agency presents to him and wants him to act on. Further, it is amazing to me that the media are so anxious for Trump to publicly declare Russia as a "foe", and/or conduct countermeasures against them, and/or declare war. We have to keep going back to the fact that the US intelligence community is not completely sure that Russia, as a state, orchestrated the hacking they have been investigating. They have a "high degree of confidence" in their findings. Didn't the Iraq war teach us all that if you are going to base a war on intelligence information, "a high degree of confidence" is too low a standard to start bloodletting? My belief is that is what is behind Trump's reluctance to publicly adopt the intelligence community position and his reluctance to have that dispute played out during his press conference yesterday.

Put another way, the issues of whether Putin is to be believed or trusted, or as to whether intelligence findings are solid enough to justify further retaliatory actions by the US against Russia are not matters to be debated with the press and played out in press conferences on the world stage.

This was a tactical error by Trump. I hope he can adopt a better approach before the Dems and Media get the war which they need to justify their position that they didn't really lose the election.
 

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I'm trying to wrap my head around the criticism Trump is getting from people like Gingrich and Scaramucci - people who are onside with Trumps positions on foreign policy. On my analysis, I don't think either one of them is saying that US intelligence community analysis has to be accepted by Trump, or that he is wrong to try to work with Putin where possible (even if Russia meddled in the 2016 election). I think they are saying that his statements gave the press and his political opponents ammunition that he didn't need to give them. All he had to say is that the matter of interference in US elections had been thoroughly discussed at the summit and that he is confident that Russia will address US concerns seriously. It was an unforced error..

This was a tactical error by Trump. I hope he can adopt a better approach…
There.

Now you don't look like you're committing the same "unforced" error the media — left, right, fake, alt and MS — continues to think of as part of its calling. And which adults have always discounted as mere Monday Morning QBing, editorializing and opinion. At least we did back in the day.

And you don't really want to justify calling people you disagree with war-mongers or re-arguing vote numbers yet again do you?
 

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There.

Now you don't look like you're committing the same "unforced" error the media — left, right, fake, alt and MS — continues to think of as part of its calling. And which adults have always discounted as mere Monday Morning QBing, editorializing and opinion. At least we did back in the day.

And you don't really want to justify calling people you disagree with war-mongers or re-arguing vote numbers yet again do you?
Interesting exercise. What I wrote was the input, and your edit was the output after processing. Illustrative.
 

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It was a very stupid press conference

Now there has to be tons of damage control

The general consensus in the U.S. legal community is that the Special Counsel's Investigation is winding down and will be concluded by the end of the year.

Remember when the press were absolutely crazed over the idea that President Reagan had sold the Western World down the tubes at Reykjavik

Of course that was immediately after he was going to blow-up the entire world and we had the CND and the Women of Greenham Common screaming and yelling and telling us all so.
 

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Doubt Trump will last to the end of this year, let alone his term.
Mueller is rumoured to be finishing up for the fall.
Yeah, just in time for a smear job before the elections in November or something.

If they had anything, this would be going somewhere and Trump be in jail like a Hillary.

Washington DC is the world capital of dirty tricks.

Toronto City Hall should be ashamed when compared to that. After all, those Councillors want to Toronto to be a world class city.

They can't even build a subway! HAHA!

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