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Aardvark154

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Things are becoming helplessly polarized.

What are we going to be doing a century from now saying that Crimea being Russian is an outrage? Yet no one feels safe in saying that Russia should compensate Ukraine financially for Crimea - and if Ukraine refuses to accept a reasonable compensation offer then the West will regard the matter as concluded.
 

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https://www.politico.com/story/2018/07/16/mccain-trump-russia-putin-724370


But not to worry, huh pathetic, self declared Terb "righties"? After all, McCain will be dead soon anyway!

Trump has actually dangerously escalated cold war tensions with Russia far beyond anything his predecessor dared to do. From adopting a Nuclear Posture Review with greatly increased aggression toward Russia and blurring lines between when nuclear strikes are and are not appropriate, to facilitating the longstanding neoconservative agenda to arm Ukraine (a dangerously hawkish move which Obama adamantly refused to do), to repeatedly bombing the Syrian government and killing Russians in Syria as part of its illegal occupation of that country, to throwing out Russian diplomats on more than one occasion, to expanding NATO with the addition of Montenegro, to aggressive sanctions on Russian oligarchs and more, this administration has inflamed tensions along multiple fronts and increased the probability of something going disastrously, irrevocably wrong.

Whether the US president has been doing these things because that was his plan all along, or because he is beholden to powers which wish to advance such agendas, or because he’s caving to political pressures from his opponents in order to avoid accusations of treason, is a question that’s open for debate. Personally, I do not care. What matters is the fact that these escalations are there, and that they need to be scaled down, and that I shouldn’t have to share a fucking planet with anyone who thinks otherwise.


Opposing talks which could lead to de-escalations between the two countries who own almost all of the nuclear warheads in the world is inexcusable and unforgivable. I don’t care if you’re dumb enough to swallow the US intelligence community’s still completely unsubstantiated claims of Russian hacking. I don’t care if you think Trump is bought and owned by Vladimir Putin. Even if both of those things were true, there would still be no excuse for opposing peace talks in a dangerously escalating new cold war. None.

Communication and understanding in this situation is an objectively good thing. This meeting with Russia’s leader, which all US presidents have done for many decades, is an objectively good thing. If you have joined in the campaign to help shove the tide of opinion away from peace and toward nuclear holocaust, you are making yourself an enemy of humanity. You have become so warped and demented by your hatred of Donald Trump that it has made a part of you less human.

But he is the only President of the United States right now, and he is in a unique position to help steer us away from the iceberg and avoid a confrontation that everyone on earth should want to avoid. Any possibility of that happening, however remote, should be supported.

Only assholes and morons oppose these peace talks. If you want to help steer this ship into the iceberg of nuclear holocaust, then I want you thrown overboard. Get a fucking grip, you raving lunatics. Stop this. Stop this immediately.
 

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What about Mexico influencing the US election by letting all those illegals into their country and then crossing into the US and then proceeding to vote illegally for Hillary

Nobody talks about this or holds Mexico to task...smh

Cheers
 

Frankfooter

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Things are becoming helplessly polarized.
Yes, but Trump is driving that polarization.
The only difference is that now the right wing is starting to divide on their support of Trump.
You probably didn't notice since you probably hang out with like minded people.
But the rest of the country has been very divided on Trump for a couple of years now.
 

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Trump has actually dangerously escalated cold war tensions with Russia far beyond anything his predecessor dared to do. From adopting a Nuclear Posture Review with greatly increased aggression toward Russia and blurring lines between when nuclear strikes are and are not appropriate, to facilitating the longstanding neoconservative agenda to arm Ukraine (a dangerously hawkish move which Obama adamantly refused to do), to repeatedly bombing the Syrian government and killing Russians in Syria as part of its illegal occupation of that country, to throwing out Russian diplomats on more than one occasion, to expanding NATO with the addition of Montenegro, to aggressive sanctions on Russian oligarchs and more, this administration has inflamed tensions along multiple fronts and increased the probability of something going disastrously, irrevocably wrong.

Whether the US president has been doing these things because that was his plan all along, or because he is beholden to powers which wish to advance such agendas, or because he’s caving to political pressures from his opponents in order to avoid accusations of treason, is a question that’s open for debate. Personally, I do not care. What matters is the fact that these escalations are there, and that they need to be scaled down, and that I shouldn’t have to share a fucking planet with anyone who thinks otherwise.


Opposing talks which could lead to de-escalations between the two countries who own almost all of the nuclear warheads in the world is inexcusable and unforgivable. I don’t care if you’re dumb enough to swallow the US intelligence community’s still completely unsubstantiated claims of Russian hacking. I don’t care if you think Trump is bought and owned by Vladimir Putin. Even if both of those things were true, there would still be no excuse for opposing peace talks in a dangerously escalating new cold war. None.

Communication and understanding in this situation is an objectively good thing. This meeting with Russia’s leader, which all US presidents have done for many decades, is an objectively good thing. If you have joined in the campaign to help shove the tide of opinion away from peace and toward nuclear holocaust, you are making yourself an enemy of humanity. You have become so warped and demented by your hatred of Donald Trump that it has made a part of you less human.

But he is the only President of the United States right now, and he is in a unique position to help steer us away from the iceberg and avoid a confrontation that everyone on earth should want to avoid. Any possibility of that happening, however remote, should be supported.

Only assholes and morons oppose these peace talks. If you want to help steer this ship into the iceberg of nuclear holocaust, then I want you thrown overboard. Get a fucking grip, you raving lunatics. Stop this. Stop this immediately.
What a Bag of shit.

Trumpinsky has treasoneously cided with a Dictator against the US and we are at the point that Trumpinsky needs to explain to the US people why?
 

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Chris Cuomo hinting at impeachment and a treason trial on CNN and calling for bipartisan national unity.

I have never seen anything like this.

There has been a parade of GOP figures denouncing Trump - Ryan, Romney, Kasich.
 

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What a Bag of shit.

Trumpinsky has treasoneously cided with a Dictator against the US and we are at the point that Trumpinsky needs to explain to the US people why?
Only complete morons would cut off their noses to spite their faces.

But we're talking about common sense here, which apparently leftards are unfamiliar with. They obviously now choose the gaping, bleeding wound where their nostrils once occupied, rather than cherish their ability to sniff the scent of the reality of peace...
 

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[The President of the United States ] has treasoneously cided (sic). . .
A quick reminder again is is important to make plain are you using the terms treason and treasonous in the sense of "I truly despise" or erroneously in the legal sense of the term in the U.S.A.
 

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A quick reminder again is is important to make plain are you using the terms treason and treasonous in the sense of "I truly despise" or erroneously in the legal sense of the term in the U.S.A.
Here's the correct usage, as noted by a previous head of the CIA.
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Donald Trump’s press conference performance in Helsinki rises to & exceeds the threshold of “high crimes & misdemeanors.” It was nothing short of treasonous. Not only were Trump’s comments imbecilic, he is wholly in the pocket of Putin. Republican Patriots: Where are you???

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Here's the correct usage, as noted by a previous head of the CIA.
Actually it isn't the correct usage at all It is merely John Brennan (an extremely partisan former Director) saying I can't stand the President. He is not a Lawyer.

"Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort." The United States is not at War with Russia hence out the window goes Mr. Brennan's opinion.
 

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Frankfooter

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Actually it isn't the correct usage at all It is merely John Brennan (an extremely partisan former Director) saying I can't stand the President. He is not a Lawyer.

"Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort." The United States is not at War with Russia hence out the window goes Mr. Brennan's opinion.
I'd say that the massive beejay that Trump must have given Putin in private falls under your terms.
Thanks for clearing up your support of treason.
 

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If you are supporting trump's take on Russia, then you are not patriotic.
This is the problem with many Canadians. They believe the US media so much that they take themselves for Americans.

How can a Canadian blame another Canadian for not being patriotic to the US, without at the same time diminishing his loyalty to the country he is a citizen of: Canada.

Seems like you would sell out Canada to the US if you had a chance.

When York was taken back from the Yankees during the War of 1812, quite a few Yankee collaborators were hanged as a result. Good riddance!
 

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There was a documentary made back in 2009, that Trump tried to quash. It details his bullying of Scottish farmers to get a golf course built. Anyone that say it would not be surprised by anything that is currently happening.

The USA may not be at war with Russia but Putin has been at war against the USA since the crash of the Ruble in 1998. It's the main reason he became Russian President. James Baker foresaw it, he wanted to institute a Russian Marshall Plan but Bush Sr. overruled him.

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/donald-trump-youve-been-trumped-too-anthony-baxter-golf-aberdeenshire-documentary-mollie-michael-a7383311.html
 

Frankfooter

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There was a documentary made back in 2009, that Trump tried to quash. It details his bullying of Scottish farmers to get a golf course built. Anyone that say it would not be surprised by anything that is currently happening.

The USA may not be at war with Russia but Putin has been at war against the USA since the crash of the Ruble in 1998. It's the main reason he became Russian President. James Baker foresaw it, he wanted to institute a Russian Marshall Plan but Bush Sr. overruled him.

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/donald-trump-youve-been-trumped-too-anthony-baxter-golf-aberdeenshire-documentary-mollie-michael-a7383311.html
Its hard to keep up with the crap from Trump.
He's also even been lying about where his father was born.

https://boingboing.net/2018/07/17/donald-trump-keeps-saying-his.html
 

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Correction: - An almost unanimous CONGRESS imposed those sanctions and Trump dragged his ass and refused to sign until his balls were held over an open flame.
 
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