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Italy will not buy F-35s anymore

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Italy will not buy F-35s anymore, mulls walking out of existing contracts – Defense Minister
Published time: 7 Jul, 2018 01:45
Edited time: 7 Jul, 2018 08:24

Italy will not buy F-35s anymore, mulls walking out of existing contracts – Defense Minister

The anti-establishment Italian government's defense minister has said that the country won't purchase any more Lockheed Martin F-35 fighter jets from the US and will review the existing order for 90 planes.
Elisabetta Trenta, the country's new minister of defense from the Eurosceptic Five Star Movement, has ruled out new contracts with the US for the purchase of F-35 stealth fighter jets, adding that the order for 60 F-35A and 30 F-35B jets, which Italy concluded in 2012, might be placed under review.

"We won't buy any more F-35s," Trenta said in an interview with Italian broadcaster La7's Omnibus program on Friday.

"We are assessing what to do regarding the contracts already in place," she added, noting that while her party has always been a vocal critic of the program, she said that scrapping it altogether may "cost us more than maintaining it."

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The fact that the cancellation of the bulk deal and the resulting "strong financial penalties" might cost the Italian budget a hefty sum is one of the main reservations that is holding the government back, she explained.

The termination of the contract can negatively impact Italian workers who are employed in the production, she said, listing other merits of the deal such as "technological activity" and "important research" in a Facebook post accompanying the interview

Italy became the only country with an F-35B assembly line outside the US. In May 2017, it rolled out the first jets. However, they had to be delivered to the US Navy base in Maryland for certification and crew training.

The line in Cameri is set to produce a total of 30 F-35Bs to be delivered to the Italian Navy, Italian Air Force and the Royal Netherlands Air Force.

Back in 2012, Italy already downsized its initial order for 135 jets to 90 as it was battling with a sovereign debt crisis.

The March general election in Italy, following weeks of uncertainty and political bickering, propelled a new government of the right-wing Lega Nord and anti-establishment Five Star Movement to power. The fact that it is now a part of the ruling coalition might have put some constraints on the party's policy, which has always been in stark opposition to the costly program.

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As the party presented its defense manifesto in May last year, Tatiana Basilio, then a Five Star MP in the parliament, said that "there will be no ifs or buts about leaving the F-35 program" if her party clinched the vote.

"€14 billion for 90 F-35s is too costly and we are putting ourselves in the hands of the US," Basilio said at the time.

One aircraft currently costs Italy €51.3 million, while, overall, it has to spend some €14 billion on the jets.

Meanwhile, the program has been bogged down by unresolved technical issues, such as faulty helmets, malfunctioning ejector seats and overblown costs.
 

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They better buy it. Otherwise, they will prove Trump correct, and there goes NATO.

Like "finito" ... you know ...

NATO .... finito ...

Anyways ...

How many of these planes did Canada commit to buying again? Read something Canada was going to buy some second hand fighters, then upgrade later.

Maybe oil will hit $1000 per barrel ...

:ambivalence:
 

danmand

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They better buy it. Otherwise, they will prove Trump correct, and there goes NATO.

Like "finito" ... you know ...

NATO .... finito ...

Anyways ...

How many of these planes did Canada commit to buying again? Read something Canada was going to buy some second hand fighters, then upgrade later.

Maybe oil will hit $1000 per barrel ...

:ambivalence:
That would be fine-ito. There is no more any rationale for NATO.
 

nottyboi

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They better buy it. Otherwise, they will prove Trump correct, and there goes NATO.

Like "finito" ... you know ...

NATO .... finito ...

Anyways ...

How many of these planes did Canada commit to buying again? Read something Canada was going to buy some second hand fighters, then upgrade later.

Maybe oil will hit $1000 per barrel ...

:ambivalence:
Canada is buying a bunch of used Australian F-18s which should give the enough airframe hours until they are replaced. What will replace them who knows. I say we buy either Rafale or Gripen. we just do not needs the F-35
 

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That would be fine-ito. There is no more any rationale for NATO.
We all know that Danmand feels that V.V. Putin is just misunderstood.

Along the lines of

Percival Patrick Pinckney Peter was a friendly local anteater, he loved his ants, he didn't hate them, that is why - he ate them.
 

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Italy won't buy them because they can't afford them. The country has not seen a greater than 1% GDP growth in a decade. Unemployment rate has hovered between 10-13% since 2012. It's a fiscal disaster
 

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Why would Italy need F-35's?

Their Panavia Tornado and Eurofighter Typhoon can shoot down a fucking F-35 in a matter of seconds...and they're powered by Ferrari Jet engines.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJwRT2kGuDk
Don't believe that there is a vertical takeoff version of the Panavia Tornado (there is of the F-35). The Tornado is a 4th generation fighter (and will soon be retired), the Typhoon a 4.5 aircraft, the F-35 a 5th generation fighter. What Canada needs to do now is get in on the ground floor with 6th generation development -- see #6
 

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We all know that Danmand feels that V.V. Putin is just misunderstood.

Along the lines of

Percival Patrick Pinckney Peter was a friendly local anteater, he loved his ants, he didn't hate them, that is why - he ate them.
The Russians are coming, The Russians are coming.

You have been screaming that since 1949.

It is simply because USA wants Europe to spend 2% of GDP on American weapons. When Nato partner Turkey spends some money on Russian S400 Systems, that is terrible. Turkey may have to buy Russian Fighter jets also.
 

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Italy won't buy them because they can't afford them. The country has not seen a greater than 1% GDP growth in a decade. Unemployment rate has hovered between 10-13% since 2012. It's a fiscal disaster
Meh.

Italy is one of the greatest countries in the world. Through it all, they have survived and prospered. Never bet against the Italians.
 

james t kirk

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The F35 is a flying turd. Even the Americans have admitted as much.

The Rafale is superior in every way and we can manufacture it right here in Canada under license and we would own the IP and are free to customize it any way we want.
 

Insidious Von

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Italy is perfectly capable of constructing their own fighter jets and with the same craftsmanship that they put into their spots cars.

The Rafale? Thanks for bringing it up Tiberius, here's a composite with the Italian Typhoon. Correction, unlike the Tornado, the Typhoon is a European consortium plane, with Germany, UK, Spain as well as Italy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wWkHKYcvos
 

danmand

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The USA requirement of 2% of GDP spent on American weapons is in effect a tax on the vassal states.

I think the Europeans and Canadians have been willing to pay the tax, as long as the free trade was preserved. With the unilateral tariffs and unilateral departure from the Iran Agreement, climate agreement and a general feeling of being bullied, the vassals may have decided that there is nothing in it for them.

Surely Turkey has come to that conclusion.
 

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It is not the USA that requires it; it is NATO, they all agreed/ committed to paying at least 2% of their gross domestic product on defense.

Of course, only 5 out of 28 members are doing do, the rest prefer to free-load and let the USA defend them
 

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The F35 is a flying turd. Even the Americans have admitted as much.

The Rafale is superior in every way and we can manufacture it right here in Canada under license and we would own the IP and are free to customize it any way we want.
Not so sure about that. The Rafale is a generation 4 aircraft. If what Canada is looking for (which is sensible) is an air superiority fighter rather than a fighter-bomber then having purchased the RAAF F-18's the thing to do is get in on the ground floor with a 6th generation fighter -- to me that (see #6) means becoming a partner with the U.K. and Sweden.
 
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