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    Other riders have been banned due to an AAF (Adverse Analytical Finding) for salbutamol:
    • Italian rider Diego Ulissi, who returned an AAF for 1900ng/ml of salbutamol during the 2014 Giro díItalia. He was suspended from competition for nine months.
    • Alessandro Petacchi was suspended for a year and had five stage wins removed after returning an AAF for salbutamol at the 2007 Giro díItalia.

    Details leading to the disciplinary actions for the above two riders were not released to the public due to jurisdiction and the terms of the settlement.

    Froome's AAF was 2,000ng/ml (World Anti-Doping Agency [WADA] rules state that salbutamol is permitted to be present up to a threshold of 1,000 nanograms per millilitre (ng/ml)). So far both UCI and Sky Team has not released any official details about why Froome has been cleared.

    I do know that salbutamol is effective for providing immediate relief to an asthma attack but if used too frequently, the effectiveness will decrease dramatically to a point where the attack can be fatal.

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    thailover, it was a JOKE. I have no love for Lance Armstrong, he ratted out Marco Pantani which led to the Italian's suicide in 2004. Pantani pushed him to the limit in 2001, challenging him at every mountain stage. Pantani won the Tour in 98, before Armstrong's addled streak. Armstrong, even juiced to hilt would have lost to him in 2002, so he tipped off the drug testers. Like Borat, Lance Armstrong make shit of road racing.

    I checked out Salbutamol, does Chris Froome have asthma?

    Netflix still has a great documentary on the Armstrong scandal ("At All Costs"). Armstrong really screwed over a lot of people. Lemond, the team masseuse (who Armstrong labelled as a drug using prostitute), his former teammate and best friend Frankie Andreu (and his wife), Floyd Landis, all the millions who believed in his story, etc, etc. The film implies that Armstrong is a sociopath - manipulative even right to the end during his Oprah interview.

    Post cheating scandal Landis was totally shunned by cycling and Armstrong (and team director, and cheat Johann Bruyneel). Apparently he just wanted back into cycling - willing to do anything to re-join Armstrong's new team during his comeback, but Armstrong and Bryneel not only shunned him, they criticized him as a cheat. As a result, Landis went public. If Armstrong and Bruyneel had even an ounce of what the film called "emotional intelligence", they would have hired Landis and this scandal might have stayed just a bunch of very very strong rumours. Landis was the ticking bomb which opened the floodgates for all other former teammates and victims to speak out in unison.

    Note: made a mistake above - correct name of Netflix doc is “Stop At Nothing”. Worth watching if you are a TDF fan - good double bill with “Icarus”.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SirWanker View Post
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    Froome's AAF was 2,000ng/ml (World Anti-Doping Agency [WADA] rules state that salbutamol is permitted to be present up to a threshold of 1,000 nanograms per millilitre (ng/ml)). So far both UCI and Sky Team has not released any official details about why Froome has been cleared.
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    Don't know where I heard it but allegedly the UCI accepted that Froome had taken more than typical to treat an asthma attack shortly before the test sample. They team also pointed to a study showing that amount of AAF was not directly related to the amount taken. Don't know the truth of the claim and will assume that Froome is using his asthma as an excuse to gain an advantage (along with whatever else the peleton is using these days to beat the tests).

    As for Lance, I have no real issue with him cheating as pretty much all of them do it, it's how big a dick he was that bothers me.

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    Cycling has such a long culture of doping that it will take a long time to disappear, if ever. Eg: The famous Tom Simpson who died and has a memorial on Mt. Ventoux. He died because of amphetamines, which allowed him to push his body beyond the limits, causing a heart attack during the ascent. Yet heís revered. But thatís kind of the TDF cyclistís ideal - willing to suffer until death (ignoring that the drugs reduce the suffering). I ride in some group rides every now and then and Iím pretty sure that a handful of these amateur riders are doping - all to avoid being dropped and bragging rights (way too radical an improvement in too short a time). So even at the recreational level, the sense of competition and culture make it seem like something that is the norm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by essguy_ View Post
    Cycling has such a long culture of doping that it will take a long time to disappear, if ever. Eg: The famous Tom Simpson who died and has a memorial on Mt. Ventoux. He died because of amphetamines, which allowed him to push his body beyond the limits, causing a heart attack during the ascent. Yet he’s revered. But that’s kind of the TDF cyclist’s ideal - willing to suffer until death (ignoring that the drugs reduce the suffering). I ride in some group rides every now and then and I’m pretty sure that a handful of these amateur riders are doping - all to avoid being dropped and bragging rights (way too radical an improvement in too short a time). So even at the recreational level, the sense of competition and culture make it seem like something that is the norm.
    Exactlyh, it's kind of like models and other celebrities with easting disorders and hard drugs. Since many don't have the strength of character to walk away, they try to save face by making it a badge of honor.

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    And yes, Froome does have asthma according to the docs.
    Yeah, of course he does. If nearly the entire Norwegian ski team can have asthma at 20 times the rate of the general population, why not Froome?

    It's almost a prerequisite. Either a respiratory or circulatory defect, or the ever popular low testosterone. That's mark of the top physical specimens in the Therapeutic Exemption era!

    Turns out that for thousands of years of natural selection, nature had it all wrong. The real alphas & champions are chronically ill gimps! Healthy people are only good for slouching on the sofa with a bowl popcorn and beer. But if you want to give birth to thoroughbreds, find your self a partner with a solid family history of heart or respiratory ailments, ADD & hypogonadism.

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    It's regrettable that road racing is so stepped with doping, that's the nature of the beast. Road racing is grueling and riders need an inhumanly high pain threshold to succeed. Naturally they'll look for an advantage any way they can.

    Froome and Doumolin both finished in the top 20 on the very important and hilly 9th Stage. Having both raced the Giro, under normal human capacity, they shouldn't be in contention going into the mountain stages. Nibali should be the favorite, he skipped the Giro. But if his pharmaceutical regimen isn't up to his two competitors, he wont come close.

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    Chris Froome has set himself up to win both the Giro and the tour in the same year. Since WW II only 7 others road racers have done it:

    Fausto Coppi, Eddy Merckx, Bernard Hinault, Stephen Roache, Miguel Indurain and Marco Pantani. Froome would be the first to do it this century.

    Froome is six seconds in front of Nibali. Julian Alaphilippe won the first mountain stage but he was slower in the sprints, however he has the advantage of youth.

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    MA VA FAN CULO!

    Just when Nibali was setting up to break Froome's balls, he gets knocked over by a spectator. As if if having to ride with an inferior team wasn't enough. The Alpes de Huez is the longest climb of the Tour, it looked like Nibali was out. To his credit, he got back on and closed the gap to within 6 seconds. In the closing meters the cheers go louder for Bardet and the booooos heavier for Froome. Geraint Thomas wins the stage and retains the yellow jersey.

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    This is almost similar to Hinault vs Lemond situation with Thomas & Froome dueling for the Maillot Jaune.
    Kudos to Steven Kruijswijk on his ~100KM breakaway in this hard stage and staying within a minute of the leaders after being caught .

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    Vincenzo Nibali out of the Tour but he has big brass balls.

    He sustained a fractured vertebrae while planning an attack on Froome. He was about to bust the Englishman when a police motorbike in front of him slowed. He crashed into the bike, his challenge and eventually his Tour ended. He still managed to finish 11 seconds behind Froome. What a masochist!

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    Vincenzo Nibali out of the Tour but he has big brass balls.

    He was about to bust the Englishman when a police motorbike in front of him slowed. He crashed into the bike, his challenge and eventually his Tour ended. He still managed to finish 11 seconds behind Froome. !
    Correction. Was about to try to bust the Englishman. We'll never know whether he would have been successful, will we. Looks like Froome is saving a bit for the third week (as he did in the giro).
    Pretty disgraceful crowd behaviour with one guy trying to slap Froome and others spitting at him. Of course I know why but that doesn't excuse that behaviour.

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    I believe Nibali would have, he didn't take part in this year's Giro. He teased Froome earlier in the climb but Froome didn't bite.

    The French can be disgraceful cunts, you don't see that sort of behaviour at the Giro. You'll see assorted loonies in Borat mankinis and other types of ridiculous attire from fans. But not the sort of oafish disrespect of the French.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Insidious Von View Post
    It's regrettable that road racing is so stepped with doping, that's the nature of the beast. Road racing is grueling and riders need an inhumanly high pain threshold to succeed. Naturally they'll look for an advantage any way they can.

    Froome and Doumolin both finished in the top 20 on the very important and hilly 9th Stage. Having both raced the Giro, under normal human capacity, they shouldn't be in contention going into the mountain stages. Nibali should be the favorite, he skipped the Giro. But if his pharmaceutical regimen isn't up to his two competitors, he wont come close.
    The other guy who amazes me is Sagan. The fact that a sprinter could be in that many breaks including over mountains and still compete shows an amazing combination of natural ability and 'assistance'.

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    Does anyone else read the logo as “the de tour France” because of the placement of “de”?

    It’s just me and I find it annoying.

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    What a chaotic stage! Sagan crashed on the descent (his right calf, elbow and right side of his back was full of blood) but completed.
    A gendarme appeared to have mistaken Froome for a fan riding on the course and intervened. Apparently Froome was on the ground with his arm being held by the gendarme.

    G Thomas is still in yellow.

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    Fantastic stage today

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