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randy36

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I saw it too. It’s a pity when a few hobbyists indulge this low. She is a lovely person and her privacy should be respected.
Thanks jasian for bringing this here.
 

randall_stevens

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you'd be surprised how often this happens to SW.

I give full credit to Kitten for writing about it on her twitter, and totally agree it should not be tolerated.

The way i see it is, some people get "clingy" to the ladies in this industry, and just as others in this thread have said, you MUST respect their privacy.

I've had 1 session with Kitten a few months ago, and it was way better than i expected it to be. I will repeat in the very near future for sure. She's a sweetheart, and honest. (not saying that others aren't)

For those of hobbyists that are married.... you think your wife would like it if your doing errands together and you run into someone you paid to have services done to do and she would say "hi how are you?"

I think she would be quite upset or questioning why you know her, and most will probably figure out that your lying about it.

I dont have anything to hide, because I'm not married. But i would certainly not make a scene or go out of my way to say hello to someone in this industry especially if they're not expecting it.
 

JohnnyFever

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Claire Heavens was harassed by multiple guys. I remember when she first started, so sweet and open, but there's always guys who take advantage of that. Eventually the idiots drove her out of the business, hopefully that doesn't happen with Kitten.
 

jazzbox

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Yep and hurt her emotionally. She seemed pretty troubled last time I saw her. Not the sunny person I first met. :-(

Claire Heavens was harassed by multiple guys. I remember when she first started, so sweet and open, but there's always guys who take advantage of that. Eventually the idiots drove her out of the business, hopefully that doesn't happen with Kitten.
 

MellonChill

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I fully agree that mixing personal life and hobby life (without direct permission) is a horrible practice.

But I've made the following mistake twice already and wanted to share as my intentions were innocent, but it wasn't received well. It's the almost same scenario twice with similar outcomes (For the record, neither time was it Kitten) :

So I'm browsing Tinder and recognize the exact same pictures as used on a MA's Twitter account, but with full face and first name, along with other photos. Most of her Tinder photos were unique and different, but a couple were identical minus full face, which I fealt was a potential privacy issue for her. Her being in her early 20's, I thought 'maybe' she had fealt the tinder and hobby world's would have separate audiences who may not notice. In both cases I already knew the MA's but in both instances of pointing it out, it was obviously not well received, even to point it out. I immediately 2nd guessed my choice to tell them, and I was definitely wrong to do so. I honestly was not trying to use this information to any benefit, and simply to point out the use of identical photos.

In hindsight, I put myself in their shoes, and realized that privacy and the mental health struggle of maintaining it is very stressful to some / most of everyone in the industry, but specifically providers. Social lives would potentially be hurt or ruined along with friendships. Every time a provider is potentially exposed, it adds to this stress level automatically, regardless of the intentions in pointing it out.

I was lucky to reconcile with both over a couple of days, but the message is now received loud and clear. If you know personal information, keep it to yourself, and I wouldn't even recommend sharing with provider. I honestly thought I was helping, but I definitely was not.

And yes, maybe I should have learned this from the first time and not repeated the mistake, but the 2nd time accidentally slipped out midsession... The pause and momentary awkwardness was deafening. We ended up talking this issue through actually, and we basically agreed on the above.

Just to share and learn from my mistake hopefully. Privacy is so very important and respected when maintained.
 

justfor

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This makes me really sad. I have met Kitten previously, and she's one of the sweetest and most innocent people I have ever met. It boggles my mind to hear someone would stoop so low to hurt or threaten to hurt anyone in this manner.
 

ChasingDaylight

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Sounds to me like she is just sharing so one else's experience and is supporting that person by advocating for personal privacy.
 
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jasian14

I fully agree that mixing personal life and hobby life (without direct permission) is a horrible practice.

But I've made the following mistake twice already and wanted to share as my intentions were innocent, but it wasn't received well. It's the almost same scenario twice with similar outcomes (For the record, neither time was it Kitten) :

So I'm browsing Tinder and recognize the exact same pictures as used on a MA's Twitter account, but with full face and first name, along with other photos. Most of her Tinder photos were unique and different, but a couple were identical minus full face, which I fealt was a potential privacy issue for her. Her being in her early 20's, I thought 'maybe' she had fealt the tinder and hobby world's would have separate audiences who may not notice. In both cases I already knew the MA's but in both instances of pointing it out, it was obviously not well received, even to point it out. I immediately 2nd guessed my choice to tell them, and I was definitely wrong to do so. I honestly was not trying to use this information to any benefit, and simply to point out the use of identical photos.

In hindsight, I put myself in their shoes, and realized that privacy and the mental health struggle of maintaining it is very stressful to some / most of everyone in the industry, but specifically providers. Social lives would potentially be hurt or ruined along with friendships. Every time a provider is potentially exposed, it adds to this stress level automatically, regardless of the intentions in pointing it out.

I was lucky to reconcile with both over a couple of days, but the message is now received loud and clear. If you know personal information, keep it to yourself, and I wouldn't even recommend sharing with provider. I honestly thought I was helping, but I definitely was not.

And yes, maybe I should have learned this from the first time and not repeated the mistake, but the 2nd time accidentally slipped out midsession... The pause and momentary awkwardness was deafening. We ended up talking this issue through actually, and we basically agreed on the above.

Just to share and learn from my mistake hopefully. Privacy is so very important and respected when maintained.
Thanks for sharing this valuable lesson MellonChill. I hope others will get that providers should have privacy in their private lives.
 

TJnumbers

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As wonderful as it is to think we live in a city where all will respect boundaries and use discretion, this is not the case in Ottawa. Perhaps the best solution, for now, is for providers to consider not showing their faces in advertising. The case of the two ladies mentioned is a very good cautionary tale to others as there are people in the city who will take advantage of that openess. I dont see this changing anytime soon, people will act out of ignorance or out of spite and there is nothing that can be done to change this on a macro level. Most real/non fake providers do not show their faces in their ads, I would suggest this is the most prudent choice for now
 
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jasian14

As wonderful as it is to think we live in a city where all will respect boundaries and use discretion, this is not the case in Ottawa. Perhaps the best solution, for now, is for providers to consider not showing their faces in advertising. The case of the two ladies mentioned is a very good cautionary tale to others as there are people in the city who will take advantage of that openess. I dont see this changing anytime soon, people will act out of ignorance or out of spite and there is nothing that can be done to change this on a macro level. Most real/non fake providers do not show their faces in their ads, I would suggest this is the most prudent choice for now
Sad but true.
 

asuran

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I've also heard stories of clients following providers home. Tailing their cars etc.
Lots of creeps around.

That's why I'm always a proponent of verification, twitter/social media handle etc. At least there is accountability.
 

TJnumbers

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Most clients dont belong to this or other boards an wont know to follow those rules. Its up to the providers to run their business as they like, but ya, sounds like its pretty stupid out there.
 

BootyLoving

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Guys, stop being shit head. It's a 2 way street. We get to meet them, they get to meet us. We know of them, they know of us. Sometimes we cross paths in public, and look and a knowing smile is all that is needed. You can try to pick her up, but we are two different people in two difference setting. Please be respectful. It's a 2 way street.
 

justfor

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I fully agree that mixing personal life and hobby life (without direct permission) is a horrible practice.

But I've made the following mistake twice already and wanted to share as my intentions were innocent, but it wasn't received well. It's the almost same scenario twice with similar outcomes (For the record, neither time was it Kitten) :

So I'm browsing Tinder and recognize the exact same pictures as used on a MA's Twitter account, but with full face and first name, along with other photos. Most of her Tinder photos were unique and different, but a couple were identical minus full face, which I fealt was a potential privacy issue for her. Her being in her early 20's, I thought 'maybe' she had fealt the tinder and hobby world's would have separate audiences who may not notice. In both cases I already knew the MA's but in both instances of pointing it out, it was obviously not well received, even to point it out. I immediately 2nd guessed my choice to tell them, and I was definitely wrong to do so. I honestly was not trying to use this information to any benefit, and simply to point out the use of identical photos.

In hindsight, I put myself in their shoes, and realized that privacy and the mental health struggle of maintaining it is very stressful to some / most of everyone in the industry, but specifically providers. Social lives would potentially be hurt or ruined along with friendships. Every time a provider is potentially exposed, it adds to this stress level automatically, regardless of the intentions in pointing it out.

I was lucky to reconcile with both over a couple of days, but the message is now received loud and clear. If you know personal information, keep it to yourself, and I wouldn't even recommend sharing with provider. I honestly thought I was helping, but I definitely was not.

And yes, maybe I should have learned this from the first time and not repeated the mistake, but the 2nd time accidentally slipped out midsession... The pause and momentary awkwardness was deafening. We ended up talking this issue through actually, and we basically agreed on the above.

Just to share and learn from my mistake hopefully. Privacy is so very important and respected when maintained.
A very similar story happened to me. In my case, it wasn't Tinder; it was FB. As one would know, FB always suggests friends to you, and a SP I saw once appeared on this list. I immediately recognized her from the photos she posted on FB. In her FB photos, you could view her normal face pics, her family members, relatives, friends as well as read her accounts of her many vacations. It was shocking to me and I thought of alerting her of her risky situation. It turned out that I did not have a chance to see her again. Your story made me wonder if it had been a good idea to tell and alert her.
 

MellonChill

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A very similar story happened to me. In my case, it wasn't Tinder; it was FB. As one would know, FB always suggests friends to you, and a SP I saw once appeared on this list. I immediately recognized her from the photos she posted on FB. In her FB photos, you could view her normal face pics, her family members, relatives, friends as well as read her accounts of her many vacations. It was shocking to me and I thought of alerting her of her risky situation. It turned out that I did not have a chance to see her again. Your story made me wonder if it had been a good idea to tell and alert her.
Yeah, her provider # and Facebook # must be the same... I agree with you, I'd still be tempted to alert her to use a texting app instead, or delete her # from Facebook. Argggh, I'm with ya, (unless she gave you her unpublished # privately, which is fine)
 

solo223

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FB has it's collective nose in everything that is social media. Thread carefully, i get 'friend suggestion' all the time when i input phone #'s in my cell. I'm to the point where i'm thinking i should just the damn thing down.
 

fibrewax

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Kitten / Sammy Smith looks awesome.
She books-up so quickly, unfortunately.
I am a spur-of-the-moment kind of guy, so pre-booking her is almost an impossibility. :-(
 

user4903

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Yeah, her provider # and Facebook # must be the same... I agree with you, I'd still be tempted to alert her to use a texting app instead, or delete her # from Facebook. Argggh, I'm with ya, (unless she gave you her unpublished # privately, which is fine)
This happened to me a while back and I posted about it on Lyla.com. I can appreciate that peace of mind is what's at stake when you inform a SP of potential privacy issues. I feel like I would alert the SP of the issue 10 times out of 10 since it's in good faith and it's the right thing to do. Real hobbyists care about the women they spend their time with. It would only take one drunk idiot to full expose what they, in many cases, work so hard to keep separate, or worse, use the information to harass/stalk/harm. Don't get me wrong, it would be much better for me to keep my mouth shut...I got absolutely attacked/accused of stalking when I informed the SP of the privacy issue with her FB, but the vast majority of these SPs have plans beyond the industry and don't wear their special entrepreneurial skills openly in their vanilla lives because of it.

Back in the day, when it happened, I deleted my phone # from FB and won't include it in any social media platform ever again, but it's reasonable to assume that young SPs in the industry may not be given proper guidance about protecting themselves and/or the subtleties of how to protect/hide their data.

Basically. I've resigned myself to the fact stumbling upon the personal information of a SP/MA ends our relationship. This way, WHEN I alert/reach out to inform them, whether or not they wanted to be made aware, can only serve to help them in the future (again, whether or not they acknowledge the gesture as being helpful). Kind of in the way that a teenage kid will curse the shit out of her parents/teacher in the moment, but then eventually realizes the point of the argument was to help/support them in the end.
 
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