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Aardvark154 said:
Any bets as to how many of those involved are illegally in the United States?
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Well, THAT'S a good argument for banning all Latinos from emigrating to the US, Aardie. A kid gets killed by a thug at a bodega. Maybe you should have banned all Italians because of Al Capone. And all Jews because of Harvey Weinstein.

You guys are off to a good start this morning.

I get it. You lost the "keeping kids separated from their parents" thing. And you're pissed. And Trump's new scam is to show photos of killed kids at his rallies, so he can ramp up the hardcore GOP vote for the mid-terms. But is this going to mean that Smallcock continually googles EVERY news item about a Latin American gang killing in the US and posts the link?

Would you do me a favour and at least keep it all in one thread?
 
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^ However, it is an excellent argument for enforcing immigration law and not allowing people to enter the U.S. illegally who would be ineligible to enter the U.S. legally.
 
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Oagre, I do not post every news item about Latin American gang activity. Not even a fraction.

I don't even know who the people are that were involved in this crime but it seems that you do. Are they friends with your MS-13 pals? Tell them to keep the slayings out of my neighbourhood, thanks.
 
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Aardvark154 said:
^ However, it is an excellent argument for enforcing immigration law and not allowing people to enter the U.S. illegally who would be ineligible to enter the U.S. legally.
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How do you know the murderers were illegal immigrants? Let me guess...
 
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Bring the killers to Canada, after all they're just misunderstood and deserve the same chance as everyone else
 
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From today's NY Post. The leader of the gang that killed the teen has apologized to his family, saying the gangsters killed the wrong person. They were after someone else. I'm sure his family will take comfort in that.

https://nypost.com/2018/06/23/gang-leader-sorry-after-innocent-teen-is-butchered-in-street/
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I say we separate him from his parents, and make him live in a fenced-in enclosure with food, medical care, and a warm bed for a week or two. That will teach him!

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Aardvark154 said:
Any bets as to how many of those involved are illegally in the United States?
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Looks like you are going to lose that bet. Are you a bit embarrassed that you jumped to that conclusion?


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Well, THAT'S a good argument for banning all Latinos from emigrating to the US, Aardie. A kid gets killed by a thug at a bodega. Maybe you should have banned all Italians because of Al Capone. And all Jews because of Harvey Weinstein.
You guys are off to a good start this morning.
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Seriously what the heck is happening on Terb these days? The crazies are really coming out of the woodwork and blaming the left and immigrants (illegal or not) for everything these days with absolutely no regard for truth.

Facts are: in the US it's 8-12X more likely a violent crime involves a non-Hispanic (both legal and illegal) perp per 100,00 crimes (therefore it can't be argued that hispanics have a lower population therefore lower crime rate). Violent crime rate by illegal aliens is less than ~1/50 that of any other American group. They are also less involved with non-violent crimes. These stats have been published here on Terb several times.

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^ However, it is an excellent argument for enforcing immigration law and not allowing people to enter the U.S. illegally who would be ineligible to enter the U.S. legally.
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No Councillor, not at all. It's an excellent argument for taking money away from border enforcement budget including the wall and giving it to traditional LE and to focus on in-America crime prevention and the war on drugs. Trump doesn't talk much about that. Aardy, as a fellow student of history, do you not see Trump's rhetoric and masses-management technique in historic world leaders? Create a problem(s) at a basic level, give the people someone to hate (appeal to their fears and prejudices), offer to solve the problem (use patriotism and isolation as tools) and discredit anyone that get in the way of the message (the press, scholars, high profile people). I can think of at least 3 in the last few hundred years.
 
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Promo said:
Looks like you are going to lose that bet. Are you a bit embarrassed that you jumped to that conclusion?
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No thus far only the name of one of those arrested has been released. Most of the last gang related murders in Metropolitan New York have involved illegal aliens.

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Aardy, as a fellow student of history, do you not see Trump's rhetoric and masses-management technique in historic world leaders? Create a problem(s) at a basic level, give the people someone to hate (appeal to their fears and prejudices), offer to solve the problem (use patriotism and isolation as tools) and discredit anyone that get in the way of the message (the press, scholars, high profile people). I can think of at least 3 in the last few hundred years.
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Think you give the President way too much credit as being a student of history himself.

Some of these policies are thought out, some are not. The major thing is that this President even more than his predecessors seems to be consumed by ego, e.g. he knows best, and doesn't need to listen to a group of advisers discuss a particular point and what likely scenarios may be before signing off on a particular policy.

As for myself I had hoped this would be the first term of the Rubio Administration.
 
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But.....but.......they did apologize
 
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No thus far only the name of one of those arrested has been released.
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You are correct , but pictures and background information on the gang involved have been released (but doesn't assist in this conversation). My point is, you were prepared to bet they were all illegals (and you may indeed be right) but statistically, there is less than a 20% chance that any one of them is an illegal immigrant. Pretty sh*tty odds, and I'm curious as to why that was your go-to assumption?

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Most of the last gang related murders in Metropolitan New York have involved illegal aliens.
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Can you provide with proof? I have no doubt there are lots of illegals in ethnic street gangs, they have almost zero choice considering their circumstances, but are these the people committing most murders in the US?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gangs_in_the_United_States#Demographics - "Hispanic gangs form the largest group of ethnic-based gangs in the United States. U.S. immigration investigation programs such as Operation Community Shield, have detained more than 1,400 illegal immigrants who were also gang members, just a tiny fraction of gang members nationwide" Ratio is much higher for LA gangs.

https://cis.org/Report/MS13-Resurgence-Immigration-Enforcement-Needed-Take-Back-Our-Streets - While most of the reports of MS-13 suspects in our case set did not include information on the immigration status of the individual, we could determine that 126 of the 506 suspects (24%) (and 38 of the 207 (18%) murder suspects) were illegal aliens

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/03/30/upshot/crime-immigration-myth.html
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...ation-ms-13-and-crime-facts-behind-donald-tr/


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Think you give the President way too much credit as being a student of history himself.
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I give Roger Stone and Steve Bannon credit, they made Trump into the politician he is today. Please take the time to study Stone, before Trump-time, Stone laid out in an interview how to win an election and Trump has followed those steps verbatim. Even though fired, Trump and Stone still talk. As I mentioned in another thread Stone is an evil super-genius.


Aardvark154 said:
Some of these policies are thought out, some are not. The major thing is that this President even more than his predecessors seems to be consumed by ego, e.g. he knows best, and doesn't need to listen to a group of advisers discuss a particular point and what likely scenarios may be before signing off on a particular policy.
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This is different than the advisors he uses to run his campaigns and develop his political strategies.

Pre-politics, Trump actively courted the press. Not as a serious businessman, but as a clown playboy. i.e his WWE activities, his crazy Howard Stern interviews, etc. Although he constantly self promoted, he rarely attacked anyone even with all his business problems. Trump's political views were all over the map, sometimes praising a policy, then sh*tting on it, then praising it again. He switched parties 3+ times. My point is Trump was never a really successful until he hooked up with Stone and then Bannon. All of a sudden he's attacking all his political adversaries, the press, even other contemporary business men. His approach to politics was textbook Stone .... and a few historic figures.
 
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HEYHEY said:
Bring the killers to Canada, after all they're just misunderstood and deserve the same chance as everyone else
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They would be barred from immigrating into Canada due to their serious criminal records. CSIS and the RCMP are pretty good at checking this stuff out. That's why Canada has a far lower crime rate than any other country in the Western hemisphere.

Thought I'd help you on that one.
 
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Promo said:
You are correct , but pictures and background information on the gang involved have been released (but doesn't assist in this conversation). My point is, you were prepared to bet they were all illegals (and you may indeed be right) but statistically, there is less than a 20% chance that any one of them is an illegal immigrant. Pretty sh*tty odds, and I'm curious as to why that was your go-to assumption?

Can you provide with proof? I have no doubt there are lots of illegals in ethnic street gangs, they have almost zero choice considering their circumstances, but are these the people committing most murders in the US?


http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...ation-ms-13-and-crime-facts-behind-donald-tr/

I give Roger Stone and Steve Bannon credit, they made Trump into the politician he is today. Please take the time to study Stone, before Trump-time, Stone laid out in an interview how to win an election and Trump has followed those steps verbatim. Even though fired, Trump and Stone still talk. As I mentioned in another thread Stone is an evil super-genius.

This is different than the advisors he uses to run his campaigns and develop his political strategies.

Pre-politics, Trump actively courted the press. Not as a serious businessman, but as a clown playboy. i.e his WWE activities, his crazy Howard Stern interviews, etc. Although he constantly self promoted, he rarely attacked anyone even with all his business problems. Trump's political views were all over the map, sometimes praising a policy, then sh*tting on it, then praising it again. He switched parties 3+ times. My point is Trump was never a really successful until he hooked up with Stone and then Bannon. All of a sudden he's attacking all his political adversaries, the press, even other contemporary business men. His approach to politics was textbook Stone .... and a few historic figures.
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Holy shit! This actually turned into a sort of interesting thread. I thought it was going to be the usual Tiny Chicken / Aardvark "Let's beat up on brown people" dumbfest.

Trump's continual attack is double-edged. He feeds his base. (As we've noticed on TERB, the righties like continual TV style drama and cat-fighting. Every time a celeb like DeNiro gets into a purse-swinging twitter war with Trump, the latter's base gets wood. That's because Trump's base is driven by hate and the need to feel constant, self-reassuring moral superiority over "libtards" and people who are rich and live in NYC and LA.)

OTOH, the very nature of Trump-ism means he gets iron clad support from 40% of the populace and utter contempt from another 40% and leaves the remaining 20% sullen and suspicious. The same tactics which win him blue collar voters with a chip on their shoulder inevitably alienate more sophisticated voters, urban voters, minorities and women. And while this is the curse of the GOP, Trump was an unconventional candidate who could have broken the mold, once elected.

Having won the presidency, Trump could have switched tactics and worked on winning the remaining 60% by thoughtful policies and hard work. As it is, he's probably a 1-term president and will be recorded in history as a destructive fool. Sounds like Trump is pretty much just Trump and not capable of learning and adapting.

Interested why you refer more than once to Stone as a genius. I always thought he was an annoying little fuck who should be stepped on like a bug.

Also interested on when you think Trump acquired his Far Right connections with jeden feinen Herren Alex Jones, Steve Bannon, Miller, Gorka et al?

 
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They would be barred from immigrating into Canada due to their serious criminal records. CSIS and the RCMP are pretty good at checking this stuff out. That's why Canada has a far lower crime rate than any other country in the Western hemisphere.
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No kidding, they are also barred from legally immigrating to the United States.

But between Mexico and Canada lie at least 2,338 km (1,454 miles) of the U.S.A.

Come on how many Central American Gang Members fly into Canada directly from Mexico landing in wheatfields so as to avoid CBSA and presumably the RCMP.
 
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By the way Oagre, I have absolutely no problem with legal immigration. My ex-wife and there is nothing much more I can post in addition to what I have over the years without sounding bitter was a legal alien. I can (and have in the past) discussed chapter and verse the various fees required involving a fiancé(e)/spouse.

All of which illegal immigrants (at least to the U.S.) skirt. Oh and by the way guess who pays for refugees in the U.S.A. -- not the general taxpayer, oh no -- legal immigrants though surcharges on the fees they (or their spouse) already pay.
 
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