Yes the driver should have stopped but WTF was the cyclist thinking.....
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Mississauga hit and run video
- Thread starter nottyboi
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The last minute change is a problem, but that ramp is to be crossed with caution. Any idea is they can image enhance that plate?
Why are hit and runs so common? I understand an accident happening but why do the drivers become bigger criminals by leaving the crime scene? I guess even ordinary joes think they might get away if there are no witnesses, but what about the shame and guilt of knowing you hurt or killed someone?
Just so folks are aware, there's an earlier thread in Politics on this same topic.
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I think if you look again, you'll see the red lights are for northbound traffic on Hurontario (including the stopped car with the dash cam)
Cars coming off the Service road like the VW involved, had a green light, but they were making first a turn onto Hurontario, then a second change of direction onto the ramp, and both should have been signalled. The video doesn't show the VW making either signal, and it's taillights are very clear all the way to, and up the ramp.
Google StreetView clearly shows barriers forcing cyclists — and pedestrians — to make the shortest possible direct crossing, and a 30kph speed limit sign for cars on the ramp. The VW's speed was as great or greater than the cars on Hurontario.
The video shows that cars face a yellow pedestrian crossing sign before the ramp and that nothing blocks their view of anyone using the combined pedestrian/bike path there.
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I think if you look again, you'll see the red lights are for northbound traffic on Hurontario (including the stopped car with the dash cam)
Cars coming off the Service road like the VW involved, had a green light, but they were making first a turn onto Hurontario, then a second change of direction onto the ramp, and both should have been signalled. The video doesn't show the VW making either signal, and it's taillights are very clear all the way to, and up the ramp.
Google StreetView clearly shows barriers forcing cyclists — and pedestrians — to make the shortest possible direct crossing, and a 30kph speed limit sign for cars on the ramp. The VW's speed was as great or greater than the cars on Hurontario.
The video shows that cars face a yellow pedestrian crossing sign before the ramp and that nothing blocks their view of anyone using the combined pedestrian/bike path there.
This is what happens when two very unobservant people meet on the road. Both screwed up numerous times in the span of a few seconds. Good habits could have avoided this situation.
Ultimately the biker was at fault, but the driver is going to get nailed for driving off.
Can we ban them both from the roads, please?
Ultimately the biker was at fault, but the driver is going to get nailed for driving off.
Can we ban them both from the roads, please?
Someone who doesn't like cyclists as well I assume. Maybe wants more backing on his opinion.
The car was wrong. 100%. It is a crossing and he didn't yield to the cyclist who had the right of way. Then the Asshole drives off. Because they knew it was their fault.
I don't believe this 100 % on the car - although they clearly are in the wrong.
Fact is though that is not a proper place to cross whether it's a pedestrian or a cyclist.
Fact also - I've noticed for years now that NO ONE looks before they cross a street anymore.
Some pedestrians get hit because they have NO common sense and failed Elmer safety class in school .
Fact is though that is not a proper place to cross whether it's a pedestrian or a cyclist.
Fact also - I've noticed for years now that NO ONE looks before they cross a street anymore.
Some pedestrians get hit because they have NO common sense and failed Elmer safety class in school .
Looks like the Bicyclist should have clearly been able to see the car coming. I'm unfamiliar with that ramp, but right of way or no right of way, the bicyclist should have exercised common sense and stopped.
I truly hope none of you lose a person to an accident like this. I am sure at the loved ones funeral you will be sure to tell everyone how the loved one was at fault. The cyclist had the right of way. EOD.
I love victim blaming on a rain Sunday. Shows how society has not grown but at least my flowers will today.
I love victim blaming on a rain Sunday. Shows how society has not grown but at least my flowers will today.
I don't believe that's accurate. I just found the ramp on google maps to get a clear idea of what exactly is going on. That's an unsignalized crossing. Isn't the cyclist legally obligated to stop and ensure it's safe to cross?
I imagine the asshole driver drove off because they panicked.
If the victim is partially or fully at fault, it's completely fine to assign blame to the victim. Obviously it would be in bad taste to do so in front of the family, especially at the loved one's funeral. But that's not the case here. We're on an anonymous board debating the legality of the situation.
I would have to look at the ramp but from my understanding of what I read, the cyclist had the right of way.
As for it being ok to victim blame so long as you are anonymous - well... I will just agree to disagree on that. As I said, I hope none of you lose a family member to the same fate. I will leave it at that.
I've noticed on-ramps around the GTA with yellow signs that read "Wait For Gap". Sooo, while the cyclist probably didn't have the right of way, they certainly would have been caught off guard by the sudden change of direction by the VW while they were crossing.
Right or wrong, if the driver is caught he will pay a heavy price.
Intersections without signs or signals are called Uncontrolled Intersections and are covered in the HTA and the Driver's Handbook that we all studied for our Licenses: The vehicle that arrives at, and enters the intersection first has the right of way, the later vehicle must slow or stop for the earlier vehicle. No one is required to stop before entering. If the cyclist arrived later than the car, they would have T-boned the driver's side, not been struck by the front of the car and thrown over the hood. Isn't a cyclist a vehicle?
The City of Mississauga puts out a Cyclist's Handbook, which does list cyclists legal obligations, but the one you mention is only offered as advice[my emphasis]: "When
riding along trails, cyclists should dismount and walk across intersections, except where a marked bicycle crossing is provided. As in this instance.
Since you checked the Google Maps view, what's your opinion of the overall road/bike-path/pedestrian crossing arrangement the City of Mississauga stuck its citizens with at that busy place?
I didn't study any handbook for my license. Mind you, I failed the test at least twice. To this day I have no idea what's in the handbook but it sounds like an interesting read.
