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One of the side effects of building bike lanes and bike paths is the inevitable increase of the interaction between cars and cyclists. Many drivers are still adjusting to this, but on my observation, it is cyclists who fail to observe safe practices far too often, and there seems to be little to nothing happening to licence cyclists, ticket cyclists who break traffic laws, or educate cyclists on safe cycling practices.

I think we're at the point where cyclist licensing should mirror the vehicle licensing process, and police enforcement should put some level of priority on cyclists who ignore traffic laws.
 

oldjones

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I know the driver shoulda stopped, but WTF was this cyclist thinking...OMG!!



https://twitter.com/i/status/1009910043813302272
According to the video and the Google maps posted on that Twitter feed the cyclist was proceeding properly on a marked bike path that crosses the on-ramp from left to right of the video, and clearly visible to cars approaching the crossing. The car did not signal their right turn, nor perceptibly slow down, and was well off centre on the left side of the ramp when it struck the cyclist, throwing them over the hood and onto the ground.

I suspect the cyclist was thinking that using the designated crossing— there is a prominent pedestrian crossing and other warning signs visible in the video — would make drivers more aware and respectful, reminding them they only share the road. I suspect they would have behaved differently — stopping for instance — if the driver had alerted traffic that they were about to veer onto the ramp at speed, instead of continuing on the main road, like the vehicle just ahead of them. I cannot guess if or why the driver was not alert and looking for possible danger as we were all taught, but nothing indicates they saw anything before the hit.

BTW, the video clearly shows the driver did stop. Besides the hit — which they would surely have seen coming, had they done a proper turn, considering others on the road and signalling their intention to them — the most grievous offence they committed was assessing the situation and then driving away. Wherever fault lies, that's the act of a despicable coward unfit to share our community. Let's hope they quickly make what amends they can by turning themselves in.

The 'what were they thinking?' question should go to the folks who laid out the bike lane and sidewalks that way. No easy answers, but that's still their job.
 

Smallcock

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Cyclists never seem to understand that they and their bicycle will always lose against hundreds of pounds of steel.
 

Frankfooter

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Cyclists never seem to understand that they and their bicycle will always lose against hundreds of pounds of steel.
The problem is that cyclists are totally aware of this, but drivers are unaware how easy it is to kill someone by mistake.
 

oldjones

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Cyclists never seem to understand that they and their bicycle will always lose against hundreds of pounds of steel.
When the cyclist began their legal, swift and proper crossing there was no car approaching. Awareness is all well and good, and as Frank says, they already know that.

But unless this cyclist sat and waited for the strange day when there wasn't a car to be seen anywhere before swiftly and properly crossing, how would awareness have helped?

The cyclist was already in the road as and where they were supposed to be, when a speeding car that didn't signal their turn, didn't heed the warning sign nor obey the crosswalk priority ran them down.
 

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One of the side effects of building bike lanes and bike paths is the inevitable increase of the interaction between cars and cyclists. ...
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You do get that bike lanes make a place for cyclists to be instead of sharing the lanes with cars right?


But yes, stupid cyclist. Even when a cyclist is in the right they are the ones putting themselves at risk.
 

rhuarc29

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When the cyclist began their legal, swift and proper crossing there was no car approaching.
I believe it's the cyclist's responsibility to ensure the crossing is clear before proceeding. The vehicle was well on the ramp before the cyclist was. It is true that failing to signal and the abrupt turn of the driver could have confused the cyclist, but that doesn't absolve him of responsibility.
It's similar to a driver turning left at an intersection and an oncoming driver runs a late amber. You're not expecting him to, but it's your responsibility to only turn when you know it's safe.
 

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You do get that bike lanes make a place for cyclists to be instead of sharing the lanes with cars right?


But yes, stupid cyclist. Even when a cyclist is in the right they are the ones putting themselves at risk.
That cyclist should not ride on the streets with the cars. A clear and deserving candidate for a Darwin award.

There are many ways a car can hit you when on a bicycle. Get side swiped, get cut off when turning right, get backed into from a parked position, or even parked get door treatment.

What happened on that video was gross and absurd. The cyclist got hit head on head. He/she could not sense any danger, and got whacked.
 

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I believe it's the cyclist's responsibility to ensure the crossing is clear before proceeding. The vehicle was well on the ramp before the cyclist was. It is true that failing to signal and the abrupt turn of the driver could have confused the cyclist, but that doesn't absolve him of responsibility.
It's similar to a driver turning left at an intersection and an oncoming driver runs a late amber. You're not expecting him to, but it's your responsibility to only turn when you know it's safe.
If the driver was acting as if they weren't going on the ramp, and made a sudden turn without signalling, then the cyclist would have thought the way was clear before they started crossing.
 

oldjones

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I believe it's the cyclist's responsibility to ensure the crossing is clear before proceeding. The vehicle was well on the ramp before the cyclist was. It is true that failing to signal and the abrupt turn of the driver could have confused the cyclist, but that doesn't absolve him of responsibility.
It's similar to a driver turning left at an intersection and an oncoming driver runs a late amber. You're not expecting him to, but it's your responsibility to only turn when you know it's safe.
And for those questions of who was actually moving where, when, we have courts, although years of whining about insurance rates have made it almost impossible to get to them.

But there is no question about the driver's legal responsibility under the HTA not merely to drive at the proper speed and signal turns but to do everything possible to avoid accident and injury, that's why there is reverse onus requiring them to disprove negligence where there's death or injury. There's no sign of that at all. No brake lights, no swerve. Even though the approaching cyclist was visible and had begun crossing before the car made its improper turn up the ramp.
 

oldjones

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That cyclist should not ride on the streets with the cars. A clear and deserving candidate for a Darwin award.

There are many ways a car can hit you when on a bicycle. Get side swiped, get cut off when turning right, get backed into from a parked position, or even parked get door treatment.

What happened on that video was gross and absurd. The cyclist got hit head on head. He/she could not sense any danger, and got whacked.
The cyclist in the video was using the official bike path exactly as prescribed, and was not "on the streets with cars". The car driver was not only careless and unobservant, but broke more than one traffic law.

Not forgetting that after crashing into the cyclist and throwing them over the front of the car onto the road, the driver stopped for a few seconds, then scrammed. If anyone shouldn't be on the streets with cars, it is this driver.
 

oldjones

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If the driver was acting as if they weren't going on the ramp, and made a sudden turn without signalling, then the cyclist would have thought the way was clear before they started crossing.
We cannot know what the cyclist thought, but we can see the driver never signalled, and swerved to go up the ramp at speed, at the last moment before being forced to continue straight.
 

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The cyclist in the video was using the official bike path exactly as prescribed, and was not "on the streets with cars". The car driver was not only careless and unobservant, but broke more than one traffic law.
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As did the cyclist. They should not have proceeded until the way was clear. They made an assumption that the car wasn't going to use the ramp instead of making sure. The actions of the driver do not eliminate the cyclist's responsibility. Most of us are aware the consequences for cyclists go well beyond getting a ticket so when on a bike we take extra precautions to make sure we aren't road kill.

And from the video, the cyclist was still on the side-walk when the car began its turn. At 4s in the vid, the car is clearly in the ramp lane and the cyclist is still a couple m from the road. They would have had to break hard but the need to break should be assumed before crossing a road.
 

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The cyclist in the video was using the official bike path exactly as prescribed, and was not "on the streets with cars". The car driver was not only careless and unobservant, but broke more than one traffic law.

Not forgetting that after crashing into the cyclist and throwing them over the front of the car onto the road, the driver stopped for a few seconds, then scrammed. If anyone shouldn't be on the streets with cars, it is this driver.
Where was the point of contact of the collision?

Do not put yourself into dangerous spots.

If you do not understand that, then we should all suggest you should never ride a bicycle anywhere other than a park.

Even in a park nowadays you have to be very aware of the unleashed dogs.
 

oldjones

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As did the cyclist. They should not have proceeded until the way was clear. They made an assumption that the car wasn't going to use the ramp instead of making sure. The actions of the driver do not eliminate the cyclist's responsibility. Most of us are aware the consequences for cyclists go well beyond getting a ticket so when on a bike we take extra precautions to make sure we aren't road kill.

And from the video, the cyclist was still on the side-walk when the car began its turn. At 4s in the vid, the car is clearly in the ramp lane and the cyclist is still a couple m from the road. They would have had to break hard but the need to break should be assumed before crossing a road.
Sorry but your own words contradict your harsh judgment of the cyclist, they couldn't possibly make "…an assumption that the car wasn't going to use the ramp", if the car was already using it. But if the car wasn't already on the ramp, and not signalling they intended to use it, are you saying the cyclist must wait to cross until there are no cars on Hurontario who might unpredictably swerve up the ramp?

I quite agree the cyclist would have been wiser to imagine/assume a Stop sign where they must cross a highway on-ramp whether or not they're on an official path, and you'd think the Roads Department would have installed something such. But none of that excuses the driver nor makes the cyclist at fault.

In fact, the more you look at the satellite pix of the intersection and at StreetView, the more you wonder how the crossing isn't festooned with white ghost bikes, and how the Roads Dept. imagined that intersection was supposed to work.
 

jcpro

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A hit and run is an inexcusable action. Fault or no fault you stop to assist your fellow human. Personally, I think that cyclists have no business being on the arterial roads and a ramp crossing is especially dangerous. My pick up died the other day and I hitched a ride in our 5 ton. Going down Jarvis was an experience!! At King, there were cyclists trying to sneak by on our right side, of course there wasn't any room, but they still squeezed by, pushing themselves along with one leg on the curb. Just wow!
 

Aardvark154

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As I posted on the other thread:

Looks like the Bicyclist should have clearly been able to see the car coming. I'm unfamiliar with that ramp, but right of way or no right of way, the bicyclist should have exercised common sense and stopped.
 
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