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You backed him, now you can back a push for subways to Pickering and Markham.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/doug-ford-subways-1.4715880

"We're going to focus on being the most modern transit system in the world. We're going to build rapid underground transit that's going to extend, not only in Toronto, but we're the first government that's going to run a regional transportation system. So folks in Pickering eventually will be able to hop on a subway and get to downtown Toronto. People of Markham and the outlying areas, over time, will be on a subway, to make sure that we get traffic moving."

Ford didn't say how the government would pay for this, nor why it would spend taxpayer money on subways when GO Transit trains already connect those areas to Toronto.
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Lets see, at $3 billion per stop for Ford subways that will add up to......
 
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The Spadina - Vaughan extension proves Boober69 right. I paid more in property taxes to see the project through, we even lobbied for it to be extended to Vaughan Mills, and the result has been worth it. Whatever I paid, I'm getting back in ease of travel to downtown and gas savings.

...$ billion per stop is pure hyperbole, stop.
 
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Toronto got a 30 year tax increase for a $3 billion subway station that is yet to be built.
I'm sure Doug could get us a much higher tax increase for even more imaginary trains.
 
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A subway to Pickering? How many decades will it take before the first subway car rolls into Pickering?
 
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SaturnFan said:
A subway to Pickering? How many decades will it take before the first subway car rolls into Pickering?
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Subways outside the core don't necessarily require tunnels (at least at this time). The further out they go, the cheaper per km they get, and the more quickly they can be built.
 
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Frankfooter said:
You backed him, now you can back a push for subways to Pickering and Markham.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/doug-ford-subways-1.4715880



Lets see, at $3 billion per stop for Ford subways that will add up to......
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Since when do you give a rats ass about costs?
Since your socialist wet dream was rejected by the voting public?

If Ford spends on infrastructure it will have a lasting positive impact as opposed to hundreds of billions of $ wasted on overpaying and over hiring from the public sector unions
 
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Whatever the cost, it will be a bargain. We need subways.
And it will create a lot of jobs.
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Which is why Lastman Line along Sheppard is SRO every hour of the day, right? It can't even carry ordinary loads in rush hor

Tell ya' what, when Ford gets around to the DRL which we have officially needed, according to all the studies and all the experts since 1912, then he can have my vote. And the votes of 60,000 a day that'll ride it.
 
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JohnLarue said:
Since when do you give a rats ass about costs?
Since your socialist wet dream was rejected by the voting public?

If Ford spends on infrastructure it will have a lasting positive impact as opposed to hundreds of billions of $ wasted on overpaying and over hiring from the public sector unions
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1) There are already GO trains going to those destinations
2) Subways by definition are underground
3) The Ford Scarborough subway station is a classic example of waste of resources, paying $3 billion for one stop and a train will never have the population density to support it.
4) subways to pickering and markham would make the scarborough train look wise.

I'm not at all surprised you'd defend Ford based on partisan politics over economic sense.
 
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We desperately need mass rapid transit in the the GTA. I don't know if you saw the report but we have the 6th worst commute in the entire world. The worst on this continent. In 20 years our population will be 10M. People need to move fast. Light rail and buses don't cut it. Get on board.
 
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K Douglas said:
We desperately need mass rapid transit in the the GTA. I don't know if you saw the report but we have the 6th worst commute in the entire world. The worst on this continent. In 20 years our population will be 10M. People need to move fast. Light rail and buses don't cut it. Get on board.
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Yes, but LRT's are best for the population density outside the core.
Have you ridden them before, they're great.
Check out Calgary.

The downtown needs and can justify a DRL based on ridership and that makes a strong business argument.
Cities all over the world do subways downtown and LRT in the 'burbs, is the smart way.
(and we also get GO expansion as well)
 
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Frankfooter said:
Yes, but LRT's are best for the population density outside the core.
Have you ridden them before, they're great.
Check out Calgary.

The downtown needs and can justify a DRL based on ridership and that makes a strong business argument.
Cities all over the world do subways downtown and LRT in the 'burbs, is the smart way.
(and we also get GO expansion as well)
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Don't get me wrong I'm not against LRT expansion. But you can't compare Calgary to here, it's apples and oranges. Vienna Austria, with a population of 2.6M in it's metropolitan area, has more subway track than Toronto which has a metropolitan population of 6M.
 
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K Douglas said:
Don't get me wrong I'm not against LRT expansion. But you can't compare Calgary to here, it's apples and oranges. Vienna Austria, with a population of 2.6M in it's metropolitan area, has more subway track than Toronto which has a metropolitan population of 6M.
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Its not total population but population density.
Toronto is way more spread out then Vienna, have you been there?
Try again.
 
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Frankfooter said:
Its not total population but population density.
Toronto is way more spread out then Vienna, have you been there?
Try again.
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Frankfooter,the expert on:

Climate Change, however he could not pass a grade 10 level science test
Public Finances, however he ignores the public debt
Taxation, however he cannot calculate a simple weighted average.
Compensation, however as long as it is union then he is OK with whatever they demand. Believes people should get paid $90K / yr while working 9 1/2 months, because they are in a union
Economics, however he is a commie
Energy, yet he thinks we will be off of fossil fuels in a few years

And now he is an expert on urban planning, mass transportation & apparently infrastructure financing

Intuition tells me that one should be very skeptical when the Franfooter tries to tell us how it is
A lot of Frankfooter posts have a odour of bovine scattology about them
 
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Frankfooter

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JohnLarue said:
Frankfooter,the expert on:

Climate Change, however he could not pass a grade 10 level science test
Public Finances, however he ignores the public debt
Taxation, however he cannot calculate a simple weighted average.
Compensation, however as long as it is union then he is OK with whatever they demand. Believes people should get paid $90K / yr while working 9 1/2 months, because they are in a union
Economics, however he is a commie
Energy, yet he thinks we will be off of fossil fuels in a few years

And now he is an expert on urban planning, mass transportation & apparently infrastructure financing

Intuition tells me that one should be very skeptical when the Franfooter tries to tell us how it is
A lot of Frankfooter posts have a odour of bovine scattology about them
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Ah, larue.
Back with the general insults yet can't answer to the post.
Tell us, o wise one, what population density does a subway need to be viable in Ontario?
 
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Frankfooter said:
Its not total population but population density.
Toronto is way more spread out then Vienna, have you been there?
Try again.
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Toronto population density 4457 per square kilometer
Vienna population density 4262 per square kilometer

Try again.
 
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Frankfooter

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K Douglas said:
Toronto population density 4457 per square kilometer
Vienna population density 4262 per square kilometer

Try again.
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Now you made me do some research.
Your stats take the numbers of the whole metropolitan area, suburbs and downtown core, as one.
Vienna's subways are downtown, where the population density is 3-5 times the average number you used.
https://www.wien.gv.at/statistik/pdf/viennainfigures-2016.pdf
(p6)
http://www.viennar.org/blog/2015/10/30/population-densities-in-vienna/

Compare that map with transit placement and Toronto's population density and transit placement.


It only makes sense to put subways in those red zones, where there are enough people to justify their use.
 
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