I definitely agree with that. I'd also add extending the Sheppard line both ways to connect with Spadina and Scarborough. Right now it's a useless POS. I'd also extend the Yonge line north to Steeles and then build a subway across Steeles West to reach the Spadina line. Likely a 15-20 year project but I think needed because population will be close to 10M by then. We need to give drivers a reasonable alternative and right now our system doesn't. The lack of vision and foresight by our legislators over the past 20+ years has created this mess.
Subways subways subways!
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I have no idea what their actual average speed works out to be, but the buses sure feel like they're moving a lot faster along those new dedicated transitways in Mississauga. And the GO buses use them without having to stop at most of the local 'stations'. I haven't had a chance yet to ride on the York Region Hwy 7 Rapidway. Certainly if they're cheaper, they would seem like a good idea in the outlying cities, while there's still some space for them.
Since an actual relief subway line is at best many years away, could diamond lanes and express buses be a partial temporary substitute, maybe extending Route 185 into downtown? ( Or would that be too much of a "war on the car" ? :yell: )
Take that up with Frankfooter, it is his question
Actually, I do not recall what Doug Fords position on this is.
I just see the moron Frankfooter is opposed to it, so given his track record I figure it likely has some merit
The need for transportation infrastructure in Ont is a given
Too bad Granny Wynn used all (and then some ) of our borrowing capacity to fund overpaying public sector employees
Borrowing to build assets which provide value over decades is sound policy
Borrowing to cover bloated compensation is foolish , unsustainable and plain irresponsible
You willing to pay for it? I am.
And I can all but guarantee that Ford will fund suburban (empty) subways but won't fund a downtown line that is currently needed because that's not where his base is.
This is going to be fun.
Hey larue, I'm totally against child pornography, totally evil stuff that all right wingers should stop.
Now I stand by and wait for you to support it?
Ford says he thinks we should have a subway to Markham and Pickering, which captain kirk notes are already served by faster and existing GO Trains.
Cue you to defend stupid transit ideas without understanding the costs or anything about the subject.
Hey larue, this is Doug Ford's first announcement on transit since elected.
Its the stupidest idea since the Scarborough subway, the $3 billion, single subway stop that still hasn't been built but for which we have already got a 30 tax increase we are paying today.
I get that you back Ford no matter what he does, the fun for me is pointing out your own backing of policies you don't understand yet think are smart.
So please tell us why you think spending $10 billion or so to replace existing transit with slower transit will speed up your commute.
I truly enjoy watching you dig yourself deeper and deeper down this hole.
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In one single riding. Just 19,055 voters cast a vote for Doug Ford.
There is no way for a voter to distinguish their choice of a province-wide party from their like or dislike of the handful of local individuals they are permitted to vote for. So it is entirely untrue to say the people of Ontario elected him, or that anyone elected him Premier. We should also remember Etobicoke's low turnout rates suggest that may only be 52% of fifty-something percent of the electorate, or about 25% of the people 80,000 or so people who were the only ones asked, or able to elect him to anything.
Those folks who turned out in Etobicoke North did think he'd make a decent MPP.
About the other stuff the party and the system gave him, that we had no say in, … we'll have to see.
Wasn't building subways part of the PARTY platform which all of the local PC candidates endorsed? Seems like it was (see infrastructure): https://www.ontariopc.ca/plan_for_the_people
See the post you quoted, which already dealt with lack of ability to vote for Party.
On your own point: Once the Party decided their earlier carefully considers and approved platform had been an act of collective insanity and discarded it with the leader they'd chosen the same way, there never was anything issued by the OPCs that could properly be called a platform to be considered by voters in forming their opinions and deciding who to vote for.
Thanks for the link to the mash-up that was all they managed. With so little detail it'll be hard to hold them to account — like paying for subways out of cost efficiencies no one else ever noticed — but that's part of why it was so little so late, wasn't it?
Promises are easy. Empty ones like the Fords' are even easier.
You are struggling pretty hard to avoid the obvious point that building subways was something the PC PARTY promised through their PARTY ELECTION COMMUNICATIONS (even if you don't want to call what was on their website "a platform", for all the difference that word would make). Anyone who voted Conservative expected them to support subway construction.
They said they'd upload transit to the province and invest in GO, nowhere on that platform did they say they'd put a subway to Markham or Pickering.
An overstated and unprovable assumption, but probably with some likelihood to some of it. However you replied to my post about another Poster's erroneous misrepresentation of actual, factual election results.
Is there a point you particularly wanted to make to me about the OPC's hastily written, stupidly wasteful, ill-considered and simplistic broad-brush pandering to special interests that connects with that exchange?
On your point: It's as unlikely that 'promise' will be kept as it is that you or anyone can demonstrate that every single Conservative voter even read the 'platform' let alone approved that, or any particular plank in it.
From the campaign I'd say Doug's main message was that at least he wasn't a fit, lesbian grandmother.
If you think it is stupid, then there may be merit to his plan
As I have previously stated, Ford was the best of three really bad options, so..... again you are wrong when you try to tell me what I think.
Again your grade 7 level logic is not cutting it in an adults world
Again stupid, you state your opinions as if they are factual.
Toronto is the worst commute in North America
That is an economic burden on our provincial economy
Mass transit will HAVE to be expanded.
A real challenge given the socialist induced debt burden
is there opposing views on how to expand mass transit? Yes
Are you the right person to decide that?
Hell No.
You are not objective, not trustworthy & it is doubtful you finished high school
So again... Hell No
Such vicious insults, but I guess when all you have is bluster, no information and half formed thoughts that'll have to be the best we get from you.
I expect you'll never be able to comprehend the idea that you need a reasonable population density to support a subway, and that LRT's are actually a fine alternative used all over the world for areas that aren't so dense.
Instead we'll just get more bluster about how Ford must be right because you think he's right, regardless of what he says or has done in the past.
I'm sure next you'll be telling us how we need a subway to Sudbury, one to Montreal and a subway between Vancouver and Calgary.
"So it is entirely untrue to say the people of Ontario elected him, or that anyone elected him Premier."
How about a bet?
I bet Doug Ford will officially be the premier of Ontario on Friday.
All good visions of subway greatness...but you fail to take into consideration that within the city core, you just can't tunnel under everything as it exists today.
GO transit to outlying cities was good for a while...but over the years, a lot of housing has been built between Toronto and those outlying cities. The problem is there are very few stops in between so people still need to go to their closest station and then drive.
So Toronto ranks #1 for the worst commuting in North America and rather than praise someone like Ford for actually wanting to move forward, you exemplify the reason why the commuting in this city is the worst: because critics like you are the reason for gridlocking any decisions to build transit over the last 30 years.
Happy?
https://globalnews.ca/news/4287922/toronto-worst-city-commuting-north-america/
What if you live between Pickering and STC? Believe it or not people actually live in between those remote GO stations and Toronto.
Could you imagine the Bloor line only going from Union Station to Kennedy (2 stops)? What would people do if they live in between? Buses to clog up traffic even more?
Or perhaps they could drive and also contribute to traffic chaos and more pollution?
The GO train used to be a good alternative when outlying cities were fairly isolated. Nowadays, they've expanded with many people living in the middle.
