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Unfortunately, the US has to take part of the blame for its failures of parenting. It failed to teach all of its UN children the concept of personal responsibility, as well as failing to teach them about the inevitable relationship between authority and responsibility. What's a parent to do? I guess it's never too late for the lesson.
 

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Unfortunately, the US has to take part of the blame for its failures of parenting. It failed to teach all of its UN children the concept of personal responsibility, as well as failing to teach them about the inevitable relationship between authority and responsibility. What's a parent to do? I guess it's never too late for the lesson.
Oh I think parents are always playing a catch-up game as their kids get older. The adoring imitation and obedience period peters out very early. Once either of them says the fateful, 'as I say, not as I do' or even thinks it, everybody's into Real Life after that.

'Real Life is Hard!", says Barbie.
 

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No argument from me there.

But justifying their departure on the basis of everyone else’s biases without acknowledging their own is more than a bit hypocritical.
Care to compare the human rights violations of the US vs some of the other member countries?

Trump campaigned on the promise to stem the flow of illegal immigrants.
Previous governments did nothing.
How do you suggest he keeps his promise while upholding the law?
 

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Care to compare the human rights violations of the US vs some of the other member countries?

Trump campaigned on the promise to stem the flow of illegal immigrants.
Previous governments did nothing.
How do you suggest he keeps his promise while upholding the law?
It was a stupid promise and only the self-deceiving brain-dead ever believed he'd keep it.

If and when enforcement and deterrence works, you'll have an telling argument. Hasn't yet.

It's not like he invented the Wall, or the Border Patrol, or even locking kids away from their parents.
 

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They might as well quit. The US has become a human rights abuser.
Compared to other members of the group?

Afghanistan, Angola, DRC, Pakistan, Qatar, Rwanda, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Venezuela, .....

Do you really think a council that includes massive rights abusers and doesn't criticize them because of political gamesmanship is of any value?
 

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Nope, they're normalizing the uncivilized world. What the USA is pulling back from is civilization itself.
Again, Afghanistan, Angola, DRC, Pakistan, Qatar, Rwanda, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Venezuela.

Are you really claiming those countries have a higher regard for human rights than the US?
 

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We all know what paragons of human rights states such as the The Democratic Republic of the Congo, the Philippines, the PRC, Cuba, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and Venezuela are.
 

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How about with UN HRC member states of DRC, Pakistan, Qatar, Rwanda, Saudi Arabia, UAE, and Venezuela
How about we quote HRW again.
“The Trump administration’s withdrawal from the Human Rights Council is a sad reflection of its one-dimensional human rights policy in which the US defends Israeli abuses from criticism above all else,” Roth said. “By walking away, the US is turning its back not just on the UN, but on victims of human rights abuses around the world, including in Syria, Yemen, North Korea and Myanmar. Now other governments will have to redouble their efforts to ensure that the council addresses the world’s most serious human rights problems.”
https://www.hrw.org/news/2018/06/19/un-us-retreat-rights-body-self-defeating
 

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How about we quote HRW again....
Which has nothing to do with what you offered to discuss. You said you were willing to compare the records of the US to those UN HRC member countries that are amongst the world's worst rights abusers but no surprise you chicken out.
 

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Care to compare the human rights violations of the US vs some of the other member countries?

Trump campaigned on the promise to stem the flow of illegal immigrants.
Previous governments did nothing.
How do you suggest he keeps his promise while upholding the law?
Although it’s pretty clear that some of us feel the US has pulled out based on the abuses carried out by member countries on this committee, it’s all but irrelevant as justification for His actions here based on what he has said.

Trump followers believe he’s a straight shooter. If the hypocrisy of sharing the air with the company he kept on the committee was the rationale, he would have let you know by now.
 

Frankfooter

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Do you get how idiotic is is to say the US is a worse abuser of human rights than UNHRC members DRC, Pakistan, Qatar, Rwanda, Saudi Arabia, UAE, and Venezuela?
I'm not saying they are worse, but that you have to start with them dropping a bomb ever 12 minutes somewhere.
Then you could discuss Abu Ghraib and black ops sites.
'Interventions'

Domestically its no argument, but once you bring US foreign policy into the discussion its not as clear.
 

basketcase

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I'm not saying they are worse, ....
So you have absolutely no point.

Despite it's flaws, the US is still one of the better places to live. More significantly, having a group of the world's worst rights abusers using UN politics to protect themselves from criticism while demanding others be chastised is a joke. And yes, the previous incarnation of the HRC was shut down specifically because it was doing the same thing as the current one.
 

Frankfooter

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So you have absolutely no point.

Despite it's flaws, the US is still one of the better places to live. More significantly, having a group of the world's worst rights abusers using UN politics to protect themselves from criticism while demanding others be chastised is a joke. And yes, the previous incarnation of the HRC was shut down specifically because it was doing the same thing as the current one.
The US is a country with a massive divide between rich and poor, where the top 0.1% have as much as the 90%, a place with 140 million living in poverty and institutionalized racism that appears to be only getting worse.
They aren't without criticism.

*US infant mortality rates in 2013 were the highest in the developed world.
*Americans can expect to live shorter and sicker lives, compared to people living in any other rich democracy, and the “health gap” between the U.S. and its peer countries continues to grow.

*U.S. inequality levels are far higher than those in most European countries

*Neglected tropical diseases, including Zika, are increasingly common in the USA. It has been estimated that 12 million Americans live with a neglected parasitic infection. A 2017 report documents the prevalence of hookworm in Lowndes County, Alabama.

*The US has the highest prevalence of obesity in the developed world.

*In terms of access to water and sanitation the US ranks 36th in the world.

*America has the highest incarceration rate in the world, ahead of Turkmenistan, El Salvador, Cuba, Thailand and the Russian Federation. Its rate is nearly 5 times the OECD average.

*The youth poverty rate in the United States is the highest across the OECD with one quarter of youth living in poverty compared to less than 14% across the OECD.
https://www.juancole.com/2018/06/american-inequality-plutocrats.html
 

basketcase

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And still the US still has more respect for human rights than HRC members Afghanistan, Angola, DRC, Pakistan, Qatar, Rwanda, Saudi Arabia, UAE...
 
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