Now he wants to militarize space
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It already exists as United States Cyber Command within the Department of Defense and is headed by the Director of the NSA. It's mandate is to protect DoD networks and to perform cyber warfare. USCYBERCOM is composed of units from the Navy, Army, Airforce and Marines as well as support from the NSA.I would think Cyber would be next
lol, I realize your jab at the Yanks. Technically USCYBERCOM has a carefully defined operations scope. Not currently their job to have protected Hillary's (illegal) server or the election systems. Had Hillary been using the gov't servers, she would have been protected.That barn door has was lost some time ago.
While personally I believe it is best left in the hands of the U.S. Air Force, you don't realize that not only have other major powers already created "space forces" but further this has been discussed under previous Democrat Administrations?
This seems far more "dump on Trump," than it does thoughtful military analysis.
This seems far more "dump on Trump," than it does thoughtful military analysis.
This thread is about the illegal militarization of space. Everyone on the planet has a right to an opinion.Why do a bunch of canucks care how the US organizes its military - rampant TDS.
Why do Americans have no idea how their military is organized? I guess Canadians simply know more than their American brethren. Not surprising considering the sorry state of your education system.
We care because the US will need competent engineers to set it all up and train your soldiers. I stand ready to fill that high paying job!
First it was constant lefty .... lefty ..... lefty. Now TDS .... TDS .... TDS. So funny.
So where does that come from? I don't recall the outraged threads about the Russian Spaces Forces or the PRC.This thread is about the illegal militarization of space.
In these days, all business, organizations and even the military are focused on not wasting money. Why create a totally separate branch of the military with it's own buildings, command staff, support infrastructure, uniforms, etc. etc when it doesn't actually result in a better "fighting" branch? Save 30% on the overhead and hire more soldiers, better train them and put more bombs in orbit. AGAIN the JCS opposed this change last year, although Trumps know more than all the Generals, isn;t this their decision to make?While personally I believe it is best left in the hands of the U.S. Air Force, you don't realize that not only have other major powers already created "space forces" but further this has been discussed under previous Democrat Administrations?
"I oppose the creation of a new military service and additional organizational layers at a time when we are focused on reducing overhead and integrating joint warfighting efforts," Mattis wrote in a letter to the House and Senate armed services committees."
Ardy, I didn't think you would see it any other way! Trump proposes the illegal militarization of space breaking yet another treaty and you cheer away.This seems far more "dump on Trump," than it does thoughtful military analysis.
How on earth is this illegal? What treaty does it violate?Ardy, I didn't think you would see it any other way! Trump proposes the illegal militarization of space breaking yet another treaty and you cheer away.
Already posted that I believe that the U.S. Air Force is completely competent to handle this.
<rolleyes> Are you suggesting the Russians or Chinese have permanently stationed weapons of mass destruction, weapon systems or military personal (not part of civilian endeavors) in space. Surveillance systems are allowed.So where does that come from? I don't recall the outraged threads about the Russian Spaces Forces or the PRC.
Initially the Space Force will monitor satellite and spacecraft traffic and space junk, but Trump is proposing the agency also evaluate the practically and benefits of putting weapons and personal into space. He tried to sugar-coat it saying they would only be defensive in nature.
That would be about nuclear weapons in space and the like. The President's proposal although not something I agree with is not that.This thread is about the illegal militarization of space.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outer_Space_TreatyHow on earth is this illegal? What treaty does it violate?
Already posted that I believe that the U.S. Air Force is completely competent to handle this.
You are saying that this is the same as putting nuclear weapons in space?Initially the Space Force will monitor satellite and spacecraft traffic and space junk, but Trump is proposing the agency also evaluate the practically and benefits of putting weapons and personal into space.
Entirely typical instead of looking for the common ground, it instead is "my way or the highway."
Do a little more research.That would be about nuclear weapons in space and the like. The President's proposal although not something I agree with is not that.
No, not necessarily nuclear. Any weapon system or military personal (not on a civilian mission).
Again it's initially for: monitor satellite and spacecraft traffic and space junk.
They are to also: evaluate the practically and benefits of putting (defensive) weapons and personal into space.
He (Trump) floated the idea for the force as a part of his national security strategy on March 13, saying "space is a war-fighting domain, just like the land, air, and sea."
Did you read anything I wrote or the info in the link I provided to you? I never said Trump proposed to put nuclear weapons in space .... just "(defensive) weapons and personal".You are saying that this is the same as putting nuclear weapons in space?
Entirely typical instead of looking for the common ground, it instead is "my way or the highway."
This is one of the reasons Reagan's Star Wars was never implemented, it would have been illegal and back then the US still had (some) honour. I have no problems in developing technologies, evaluating feasibilities and logistics. But the minute you start talking actual weapons or deployment you are risking another weapons race. This may simply encourage the Russians and Chinese to broaden and scale-up their cyber warfare capabilities immediately.
You’re obcessing about an internal reorg in another country. I realize politics in Canada are boring but damn.....Did you read anything I wrote or the info in the link I provided to you? I never said Trump proposed to put nuclear weapons in space .... just "(defensive) weapons and personal".
This is one of the reasons Reagan's Star Wars was never implemented, it would have been illegal and back then the US still had (some) honour. I have no problems in developing technologies, evaluating feasibilities and logistics. But the minute you start talking actual weapons or deployment you are risking another weapons race. This may simply encourage the Russians and Chinese to set-up their cyber warfare capabilities immediately.
Not sure Canada is where you go for engineersThis thread is about the illegal militarization of space. Everyone on the planet has a right to an opinion.
Why do Americans have no idea how their military is organized? I guess Canadians simply know more than their American brethren. Not surprising considering the sorry state of your education system.
We care because the US will need competent engineers to set it all up and train your soldiers. I stand ready to fill that high paying job!
First it was constant lefty .... lefty ..... lefty. Now TDS .... TDS .... TDS. So funny.
https://blogs-images.forbes.com/niallmccarthy/files/2015/06/20150609_Engineering_Fo.jpg
Why?No. We understand perfectly, Boober. We just think it's stupid.
It should stay part of the USAF.
And you spend your entire waking day trolling people on a Canadian Pooner BB. I realize your life must be boring, but damn.....You’re obcessing about an internal reorg in another country. I realize politics in Canada are boring but damn.....
As already explained, I laugh about the reorg, just shows Trump has no idea. What I care about is the potential militarization of space - illegal or not. It's a BAD idea on so many levels.
Ahh, you confuse quantity for quality. Typical layman mistake.Not sure Canada is where you go for engineers
https://blogs-images.forbes.com/niallmccarthy/files/2015/06/20150609_Engineering_Fo.jpg
Not to worry, Silicon Valley, Research Triangle, NASA, Boeing, Detroit all know where to go to get quality engineers. You might want to look into the backgrounds of some of the lead researchers (past and present) at Fermilab. Some of the lead engineers in your Apollo program. Even some of the engineers on your Atomic bomb project. Amazon, Google, IBM, Cisco, Microsoft, Apple, Intel, AMD, HP, Oracle, EMC all have Centers of Excellence in Canada (research centers).
I realize you are just trolling. All part of your Napoleon complex. Canadian engineers play a big part on many, many American research and development projects. You are welcome
It's already been explained several time in this thread. You are a typical lefty, always needing things explained to you and always asking for things to be handed to you on a silver tray.Why?
1) Mattis wrote in a letter to the House and Senate armed services committees: "I oppose the creation of a new military service and additional organizational layers at a time when we are focused on reducing overhead and integrating joint warfighting efforts,".
2) The Joint Chiefs opposed it for the same reason - it doesn't make financial sense, it doesn't require a separate command structure, there are no efficiencies to be gained and the Airforce is doing an adequate job today. Pretty sure they know their business.
3) Space Command is delivering on the mandate today without issues. They have the tools, the staff and all needed process and procedures.
4) Instead of spending the money on overhead, spend it on actual staff, training, research and weapons.
How about you explain the benefits of a separate structure?
If there was any reason to start considering the 25th Amendment, it’s when a President directs his own Govt and military to do something that initially started as a joke. Trump even admitted as much in a speech to some Marines back in March. In that speech, he said he made a joke about a “space force”, but then thought about it and decided it was a “great idea”. His own Secretary of Defence was deadset against it, but the idea grew in Trump’s head - fed by his own delusions.
So now the practical question: Where the fuck is Trump going to get the money to fund this? A 6th branch of the military is a HUGE commitment and Trump has already made enough prior spending commitments that he has guaranteed a decade of Trillion dollar deficits (based upon his own budget in January of this year - BEFORE his stupid trade war, and BEFORE his “space force” delusion). When does Congress stop feeding his delusions and start the long journey back to a thing called “reality”.
KJU is in China today and no doubt will be getting an earful. Global markets may finally be switching from a muted reaction (where few believed the President’s bluster would follow through) to mass selling that may affect North America. Since none of this makes sense to anybody except Trump and his cult, the real elephant in the room becomes the real (as opposed to a joke) question of: is the President mentally competent?
So now the practical question: Where the fuck is Trump going to get the money to fund this? A 6th branch of the military is a HUGE commitment and Trump has already made enough prior spending commitments that he has guaranteed a decade of Trillion dollar deficits (based upon his own budget in January of this year - BEFORE his stupid trade war, and BEFORE his “space force” delusion). When does Congress stop feeding his delusions and start the long journey back to a thing called “reality”.
KJU is in China today and no doubt will be getting an earful. Global markets may finally be switching from a muted reaction (where few believed the President’s bluster would follow through) to mass selling that may affect North America. Since none of this makes sense to anybody except Trump and his cult, the real elephant in the room becomes the real (as opposed to a joke) question of: is the President mentally competent?
