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Child Abductions: A Conversation It’s Hard to Believe We’re Even Having

danmand

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Child Abductions: A Conversation It’s Hard to Believe We’re Even Having
by THOMAS KNAPP
We shouldn’t need Cardinal Timothy Dolan to tell us this:

“If they want to take a baby from the arms of his mother and separate the two, that’s wrong. I don’t care where you’re at, what time and condition, that just goes against — you don’t have to read the Bible for that. That goes against human decency. That goes against human dignity. It goes against what’s most sacred in the human person.”

Don’t get me wrong. I’m glad he said it, as I’m far from sure I could have said it nearly as well. But I’m just completely floored by the idea that, in this day and age, Americans need the Archbishop of New York to remind us of something as obvious as the fact that it’s wrong to abduct children.

According to the Associated Press, it happened nearly 2,000 times between mid-April and the end of May, with no end in sight.

US law enforcement agencies aren’t trying to track down the kidnappers and bring them to justice. US law enforcement agencies ARE the kidnappers, and US Attorney General Jeff Sessions pretends, quoting the Bible, no less, that this IS justice.

As jaded as we’ve become since 9/11 — as accustomed to the government’s violations of our own rights and the rights of those abroad, whether it’s TSA thugs groping Americans at airports or the CIA torturing foreigners at foreign “black sites” — surely we can all agree that this time Washington has finally gone too far, right?

Well, no. The President of the United States, his chief of staff, the Attorney General, and even some members of Congress are actively defending the abduction of children. Not as an emergency measure for kids in immediate danger, but as policy for the purpose of punishing parents who cross an imaginary line on the ground without politicians’ permission.

It’s an evil policy. Officials who order it are loathsome creatures whose appeals to God in its defense are nothing short of blasphemy. They and those who enforce it are criminals. Both deserve short trials and long sentences.

Hint to Republicans: When your best defense of a policy is that you’re just escalating a practice that occurred under Democrats as well, you’ve got no defense at all.

Sessions quoted the Bible. Cardinal Dolan retorts. So does Thomas Jefferson:

“Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, that his justice cannot sleep forever.”

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I don't understand what the alternative is supposed to be. Is it: a) put the children in jail with their parents while they await trial (sounds worse to me, and unworkable, given the needs of children) or b) don't enforce laws against illegal entry? Should the same policies apply whenever anyone is jailed? If not for all offences, which ones should result in incarcerating entire families pending trial?

I assume that current US policy is now well known amongst those seeking to cross into the US illegally. Only the first few could even claim to be surprised by any change in US policy (and frankly, I wouldn't find those assertions of "surprise" to be all that credible"). Doesn't it come down to parents making decisions that affect their children? Isn't that the responsibility of the parents?
 

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Happens every day when someone is sent to prison.
 

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Do you think they'd send your kids to prison if you were accused of something?
No, and that’s the point I was making.

We should either abandon charging these people or speed up the process and get them back to Mexico together.
 

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No, it does not. You are defending the indefensible.
Yes it does. Parent goes to prison. Child doesn't have a relative to take them. Child gets placed in foster care.

Happens all the time. It woukd happen here. In Europe too. Don't be naive.
 

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No, and that’s the point I was making.

We should either abandon charging these people or speed up the process and get them back to Mexico together.
I don't see the point of charging either. I suppose as further deterrent.

I say just ship them back after taking a picture and DNA. And the message that if they come back with kids they will be charged and their kids placed in care.

Save money.
 

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+1.

"Charged with something"???......

This is an immigration offence. We're not talking murder, rape or armed robbery or other serious felony with major jail time here. Put them in immigration detention, if you believe they will disappear before their immigration hearing and if you must. But create detention facilities that accommodate children with parents! THESE PEOPLE ARE NOT CRIMINALS. STOP TREATING THEM THIS WAY!

This whole "charge them with the criminal offence if they enter illegally" is horseshit. The only reason Sessions does that is to create a deterrent to dissuade asylum seekers from trying to enter the US and make an asylum claim. It would be sufficient by far simply to have an asylum hearing and a deportation hearing if they are not legally entitled to asylum. That's what Canada does - AND HAS ALWAYS DONE!!!
 

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I don't see the point of charging either. I suppose as further deterrent.

I say just ship them back after taking a picture and DNA. And the message that if they come back with kids they will be charged and their kids placed in care.

Save money.
Another lunatic.
 

danmand

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+1.

"Charged with something"???......

This is an immigration offence. We're not talking murder, rape or armed robbery or other serious felony with major jail time here. Put them in immigration detention, if you believe they will disappear and if you must. But create detention facilities that accommodate children with parents!
Sadly and indefensibly, it not only happens to people who has committed immigration offences. Asylum seekers are treated this way also.

It happens BEFORE any due process has happened.
 

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Most of these people are making asylum claims which they are entitled to do. they have not committed a crime. In any event the PGOTUS can elect to charge them civilly or criminally which they have chosen to do. This is just a transparent attempt to use these children and bargaining chips to get the Dems to agree to pay for the wall. Pretending that it is anything else would not be only shameful but disingenuous and I give you more credit than that.

Shame on you.
 

mandrill

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Yes it does. Parent goes to prison. Child doesn't have a relative to take them. Child gets placed in foster care.

Happens all the time. It woukd happen here. In Europe too. Don't be naive.
Sure. WHEN THE PARENT IS CONVICTED OF A SERIOUS FELONY WITH SERIOUS JAIL TIME AND AS A LAST RESORT.

But these people are charged - not convicted - of an immigration offence (illegally entering the US). It would not carry much if any jail time and the entire situation is far better dealt with simply in the context of immigration proceedings and deportation, if the asylum claim fails.

If these people were convicted murderers, your analogy would make sense.
 

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+1.

"Charged with something"???......

This is an immigration offence. We're not talking murder, rape or armed robbery or other serious felony with major jail time here. Put them in immigration detention, if you believe they will disappear and if you must. But create detention facilities that accommodate children with parents!
Everyone knows the reason that the parents are detained is that, unlike US residents, there is a 0% prospect of them showing up for their hearing without incarceration pending trial.

Are you proposing family jails? What would the psychologists have to say about the long term impact of that?! Just how "nice" should these jails be? My guess is they will never be nice enough for open borders proponents. What crimes, exactly, would justify separation of the families, as opposed to putting everyone in family jail?

And why should the US do this? To be nicer to people attempting to enter the country illegally? Should every country start building family jails for the same purpose?

It seems that no one wants to see the parents as responsible for the effect of their actions on their kids. Par for the course these days.
 
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