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The Knesset officially declares that Israeli democracy is for Jews only

toguy5252

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That's not a fair assessment, you're claiming bias when the article is correct.
The Knesset shot down legislation that called for all citizens to be treated equally regardless of race, as their legal council noted:


That is what they thought dangerous to Israel.
Unless you are trying to claim that the legal council of for the Knesset is biased....
They were asking to change the flag, language, anthem etc. to recognize the Arabic character of Israel. Yes it would have changed the character of Israel just as if Canada were to change its flag, language anthem etc. to recognize my Polish heritage. Every country has the right to determine its own language, flag etc just as I hope the Palestinians will one day in their own sovereign nation if they ever stop listing to people like you and gryphon (or whatever he is calling himself these days). That has nothing at all to do with democracy.
 

Frankfooter

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They were asking to change the flag, language, anthem etc. to recognize the Arabic character of Israel. Yes it would have changed the character of Israel just as if Canada were to change its flag, language anthem etc. to recognize my Polish heritage. Every country has the right to determine its own language, flag etc just as I hope the Palestinians will one day in their own sovereign nation if they ever stop listing to people like you and gryphon (or whatever he is calling himself these days). That has nothing at all to do with democracy.
The bill called for equal rights, Israeli politicians called that dangerous to Israel and had the bill killed.
Not because of the flag or language.

This was most definitely Israel stating that there are not and will not be equal rights for Palestinians.
Knesset disqualifies bill seeking equal status for Jews and Arabs
Legislation submitted by Arab members of parliament called for Israel to treat its Arab and Jewish citizens equally.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018...-equal-status-jews-arabs-180605103127742.html

That is admitting Israel is apartheid.
 

toguy5252

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The bill called for equal rights, Israeli politicians called that dangerous to Israel and had the bill killed.
Not because of the flag or language.

This was most definitely Israel stating that there are not and will not be equal rights for Palestinians.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018...-equal-status-jews-arabs-180605103127742.html

That is admitting Israel is apartheid.
Read the bill. there are equal rights under the law. Their interpretation of equal rights is that the flag, language, anthem etc should include Arabic etc. that is not what equal rights are about. That is about changing the national identity of a country which every country is entitled to determine.
 

basketcase

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That makes it sound like the US,...
Not.

Of course you bitch endlessly that Israel calls itself the homeland of the Jewish people but you don't bat an eyelash at all the officially Muslim states, even ones like the Palestinians who deny rights to any Jews.
 

basketcase

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Lets just start by acknowledging....
...That Palestinians hate the idea but in your racist elitism you think you know what's good for them.

And I see you don't dare condemn the fact that 47% of Palestinians support attacks on Israe4li civilians.
 

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Totally agree Israeli democracy should be for jews only until the barbarians learn how to be civilized.

Anyone against Israel is either stupid, a barbarian or racist.
 

Frankfooter

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...That Palestinians hate the idea but in your racist elitism you think you know what's good for them.

And I see you don't dare condemn the fact that 47% of Palestinians support attacks on Israe4li civilians.
74% of Palestinians support international actions.
You are ignoring that to try to demonize Palestinians again.

Palestinians don't trust Israelis, and after 50 years of occupation that's understandable.
But that doesn't make equal rights the wrong solution.
 

nottyboi

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Not.

Of course you bitch endlessly that Israel calls itself the homeland of the Jewish people but you don't bat an eyelash at all the officially Muslim states, even ones like the Palestinians who deny rights to any Jews.
None of those countries even claim to democracy or value western ideals. Israel does, they are heavily funded and protected by the West as well.
 

Frankfooter

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None of those countries even claim to democracy or value western ideals. Israel does, they are heavily funded and protected by the West as well.
Israel isn't a democracy, its an apartheid state.
As you have argued, its the Jewish state, not a democracy.
 

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You got it dawg!



So whats your point. You think people sayin that bs is gonna make a difference.
Go get shot in gaza you won't be missed
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Oh Hapless. Don’t you know the pen is mightier than the sword?
 

Frankfooter

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You got it dawg!
So whats your point. You think people sayin that bs is gonna make a difference.
Go get shot in gaza you won't be missed.
I appreciate your honesty, at least you and Phil admit Israel is apartheid.
Its the basketcases who won't honestly discuss the matter that are much worse.
 

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^ Of course save that you are applying a different set of values to Israel than you are to the rest of the Middle East.
As we apply a different standard to your country. Are you saying we should apply the lowest standard to all?

No one has to be 'good' until there are no more ignorant barbarians left in the world? Then we all start behaving like civilized people the next day? Sounds like a fairy-tale to me.

Just how does your sort of value-system and moral thinking work?
 

nottyboi

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You got it dawg!



So whats your point. You think people sayin that bs is gonna make a difference.
Go get shot in gaza you won't be missed.
I guess you could easily replace Jewish with Aryan supremacy and see how that turned out. All this claim of exceptionalism is nonsense regardless of who it comes from and it all ends up with the same horrors.
 

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Canada just banned the Chinese from buying Aecon, because they are the Chinese... ....

Are you saying Canada denies people of Chinese ethnicity from buying land? Wow you are full of shit. But go ahead and justify racist laws targeting Jews.


At least you are in the right realm now. Canadians of Chinese ethnicity have full rights in Canada but foreigners don't. Same thing in Israel. Israeli Arabs have full rights but foreigners don't.
 

basketcase

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74% of Palestinians support international actions.....
So you have no problem that 47% of Palestinians support terrorism? Don't you think that's worth criticizing (of course you don't because you never criticize terrorism from Palestinians).
 

basketcase

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None of those countries even claim to democracy or value western ideals. Israel does, they are heavily funded and protected by the West as well.
WTF? You don't want to criticize horrible rights abusers but want to criticize a state that is somewhat close to Canadian values?


p.s. Despite your claims Lebanon, Egypt, and Iran consider themselves democracies and have major issues with human rights but you I don't see posts from you criticizing them. In fact you routinely defend Iran.
 

basketcase

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As we apply a different standard to your country....
You apply a different standard to the US?

And maybe it's my engineering mind but I've always looked to fix the biggest problem first but if you are okay judging a one Middle Eastern state by a different standard than the rest just because of it's majority religion then I think you are the one who needs to examine his moral value-system.
 

Frankfooter

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So you have no problem that 47% of Palestinians support terrorism? Don't you think that's worth criticizing (of course you don't because you never criticize terrorism from Palestinians).
35% say the back an armed intifada, that's not terrorism.
When given three options to choose from, the largest percentage (35%) chose armed resistance as the most effective means of establishing a Palestinian state next to the state of Israel while 31% chose negotiation and 25% chose non-violent resistance effective.
http://www.pcpsr.org/en/node/725

Palestinians have a right to defend themselves from an illegal occupation.
You should be heartened that 74% support international actions.

After all, this is what they lived through last week:
Israeli forces continued to use force against Palestinian peaceful protestors.

Four Palestinian civilians, including a child, were killed within hours in the Gaza Strip.

287 Palestinian civilians, including 43 children, 9 women, 3 journalists, and 4 paramedics, were wounded.

An Israeli Human Rights activist and Nine Palestinian civilians, including a child, were wounded in the West Bank.

Israeli warplanes launched a missile at a group of Palestinians in the northern Gaza Strip, but no casualties were reported.

Israeli forces continued to open fire at the border areas in the Gaza Strip, forcing farmers to leave their lands fearing for their lives.

Israeli forces conducted 56 incursions into Palestinian communities in the West Bank and 3 limited incursions in the Gaza Strip
40 civilians, including 3 children, were arrested in the West Bank.
9 of them, including 2 children, were arrested in Jerusalem.


Israeli forces continued their settlement activities in the West Bank
Israeli banned a Ramadan Iftar meal for journalists held by the Chamber of Commerce in the city.


Settlement activities continued in the West Bank.
Israeli forces closed an agricultural road and installed 10 containers for storing goods in the Khader village lands, south of Bethlehem.
The settlers attacked Palestinian civilians’ houses in Burin village, south of Nablus.


4 shooting incidents were reported against the fishing boats in the Gaza Sea, but no casualties were reported.


Israeli forces turned the West Bank into cantons and continued to impose the illegal closure on the Gaza Strip for the 11th consecutive year.
Dozens of temporary checkpoints were established in the West Bank and others were re-established to obstruct the movement of Palestinian civilians.
6 Palestinian civilians, including a young woman, were arrested at the military checkpoints in the West Bank.
http://pchrgaza.org/en/?p=10937
 
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