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Israeli lawmaker proclaims supremacy of ‘Jewish race’

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There's no argument the jewish people are in charge of Israel if you don't like it too bad. You're just wasting your breath arguing it'll never change.
 

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So why do you do it? The actual bill is available to be read but you only rely on anti-Israel blogs and al-Jazeera. Worth noting is it is Arab politicians and full members of Parliament who proposed that bill - what's that about equal rights?


And it's obvious why you are so upset about Israel but have no problems with countries like Iran that requires all higher office holders to be observant Shi'a (hint - it has nothing to do with human rights).
It says that they are not full citizens if legislation stating that a country represents all of its citizens equally is disallowed from seeing the light of day by the Jewish majority.

Canadian values say all citizens are equal in our country. Those are Western values. Israel privileges Jews over all others - contrary to Canadian and Western values.

Time to make a choice. Which do you choose?
 

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It says that they are not full citizens...
Where does it say that?

And no, Israeli law does not privilege Jews over other religions. All Israeli citizens have full and equal rights and that includes 20% who are Arabs.
 

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Why do you say that? If you haven't seen the bill, why do you claim you know what it says?
I quoted the Knesset's legal expert.

You claim the bill says something else and that you read it, but I think you're bullshitting.
Again.

Killing this bill confirmed Israeli apartheid policy.
All you have to do to disprove it is quote and link to the bill, which you say is easy.
Unless you're bullshitting.
 

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Nice. You admit you are discussing a proposed bill that you haven't even seen.
And you claim to have read it yet won't quote it or link to it.
If you have evidence that the Knesset's legal adviser, who was quoted here, is wrong, go ahead and show it.
Otherwise you're all bluster again.
 

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Sorry but you jump head first into a thread without anything more than some blog post and then criticize others for not having read the bill?

Meanwhile actual news sources confirm exactly what toguy posted.
https://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/P...sponds-to-Jewish-nation-state-proposal-540424
Thanks for posting that, as it confirms what I said.
The “Basic Law: Israel – A democratic, multicultural and egalitarian state” bill was proposed by Joint List MK Yousef Jabareen this week to serve as his response to the Jewish nation-state bill.

“Instead of dark ideas promoting a hierarchy in the status of citizens and ethnic superiority for Jews, I propose enlightened ideas of equal citizenship and significant multiculturalism for all citizens,” Jabareen argued.
Bummer that Israel thought that bill to be shocking and killed it.
Apparently Israel is against equal rights and prefers apartheid.
 

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Sorry but you jump head first into a thread without anything more than some blog post and then criticize others for not having read the bill?

Meanwhile actual news sources confirm exactly what toguy posted.
https://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/P...sponds-to-Jewish-nation-state-proposal-540424
You claimed you had read the actual bill and that's not the actual bill. That's just a news story about the bill...just like the OP posted and you ignored. So, please post the link to the actual bill...you did claim you had that access.

In the meantime, here's some excerpts from the Knesset press release (apparently, in the bafflegab world of the extreme zionist right, equality is racism):


"At the opening of the meeting, Speaker Yuli Yoel Edelstein (Likud) said, “This is a preposterous bill that any intelligent individual can see must be blocked immediately. A bill that aims to gnaw at the foundations of the state must not be allowed in the Knesset. This is the first time since my appointment as Knesset speaker 5 years ago that I am recommending that the presidium disqualify a bill. The three MKs from Balad keep trying to garner votes through provocation, and we cannot lend a hand to this.”


MK Revital Swid (Zionist Union) said, ”Placing this bill on the Knesset`s table may set a precedent for placing other inherently racist bills on the Knesset table. Since this bill negates Israel`s existence as the Jewish nation`s state and negates the Right of Return, we cannot allow it to be placed on the Knesset`s table.”

In his opinion, Yinon wrote, ”The bill proposing `Basic Law: A country of all its citizens` includes a list of sections intended to change the State of Israel`s character from the Jewish people`s nation state to a state in which both the Jewish and Arab nations are equal in terms of nationality.”

Yinon also noted that the bill included sections which would change various ”integral” laws, including canceling the Right of Return, which allows any Jew to become an Israeli citizen. It would also include a section to remove Hebrew as Israel`s main language, and negate the principle which basis most of Israel`s symbols on the Jewish nation`s rebirth. "



https://knesset.gov.il/spokesman/eng/PR_eng.asp?PRID=13904

 

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You claimed...
Do you think you are any better? (and in fact I didn't say I read it, just that you can find the text if you wanted). You haven't seen the rejected bill yet that doesn't stop you from yammering on.

p.s. your cut and paste is wrong on many points. There is no Jewish only buses or restaurants. The only limits on housing is that small communities are allowed to vote on new residents in the same way Co-ops work in Canada (it's worth criticizing but it's not apartheid). There is no violent removal of anyone based on race or religion, schools aren't forced to be segregated (there are integrated schools all over the place and the Arabic or Orthodox schools are there specifically because Arabic speakers wanted them - if they weren't allowed you'd be bitching about that too). According to wikipedia, ethnicity/religion hasn't been listed on ID cards for more than a decade. And the only restrictions on travel of citizens are that Jews aren't allowed in PA controlled areas of the West Bank (but you won't call that apartheid).

Fact is the comparison to Apartheid is massively flawed - and that's not even considering that much of the Palestinian leadership wants ethnic cleansing, not equal rights.
 

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Do you think you are any better? (and in fact I didn't say I read it, just that you can find the text if you wanted). You haven't seen the rejected bill yet that doesn't stop you from yammering on.

p.s. your cut and paste is wrong on many points. There is no Jewish only buses
Its not even worth going past your first claim.
Segregated Buses Are Only the Tip of the Occupation's Iceberg
The international community assists the Israeli segregation regime by averting its eyes. Such injustices would not be viewed with understanding if directed at Jews anywhere in the world.
https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/stop-the-bus-1.5364601

The rest of your post is as bad.
Blanket denial won't do it anymore.

Israel is apartheid.
 

basketcase

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Its not even worth going past your first claim....
Because you can't - at least without lies. The Israeli buses in the West Bank are for Israelis and that includes Arab ones.

Simply put, Israeli laws differentiate citizens and non-citizens not based on race.
 

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Because you can't - at least without lies. The Israeli buses in the West Bank are for Israelis and that includes Arab ones.

Simply put, Israeli laws differentiate citizens and non-citizens not based on race.
Israel differentiates citizens and non-citizens by race, where anyone claiming Jewish background can become a citizen while Palestinians are refused citizenship.
Apartheid citizenship rules.
 

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Israel differentiates citizens and non-citizens by race,...s.
You are full of shit as usual. 20% of the Israeli population is the same race as Palestinians and Palestinians in East Jerusalem and Golan are actively encouraged to take Israeli citizenship.

Your arguments have no merit, simply a deeply ingrained hatred.
 

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You are full of shit as usual. 20% of the Israeli population is the same race as Palestinians and Palestinians in East Jerusalem and Golan are actively encouraged to take Israeli citizenship.
Sigh.
The colour-coded Israeli ID system for Palestinians
Israel's control over the Palestinian population is based on a system of colour-coded IDs in the occupied territories.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017...i-id-system-palestinians-171115164848669.html

Now, does the Law of Return apply equally to Palestinians and Jews?
 
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