Excellent news - sanity returns to Ontario.
https://globalnews.ca/news/4270937/doug-ford-cap-and-trade-system/
https://globalnews.ca/news/4270937/doug-ford-cap-and-trade-system/
Canadian Press - Doug Ford determined to scrap cap and trade
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But apparently not to some movie fans.
One way or another we'll pay for casually dumping carbon into the environment.
"Dumping" carbon?
In any event, it doesn't matter. There are no statistically significant reductions in carbon emissions that come from the cap-and-trade scheme. Rounded off, the scheme produces a 0% reduction in carbon emissions.
Really? Tell us, oh wise one, what the percentage decrease is in global emissions that come from Ontario's cap-and-trade scheme.
BTW, we're still waiting for your assessment of how the 2018 election results confirmed your prediction that Ontario voters would honour Dalton McGuinty and the Liberals as "heroes" for the contracts they signed on renewable energy. :biggrin1:
Does it really matter ? Us rich Ontarians are supposed to say, "oh its such a small %" while the billions of poor fuckers cooking with goat dung are supposed to make the sacrifices for our quality of life?
If the world was serious about cleaning up the environment they would start with China and India, but the world does not give a shit. In America, special interest groups use the environment as an excuse to get rich. Go after the world's worst polluters and actually make a difference.
Really?
How is that weighted average tax rate calculation coming along ?
For someone who can not handle grade 7 level math you have no business criticising anyone of doggy math
if (big if) climate change is do to the burning of fossil fuels then whatever is generated by the cooking with goat dung & whatever Ont generates, it will not make a difference if China, India , Russia & the USA do not make the sacrifices
If every cent was directed towards research & development of alternative energy, you might have had a case, instead it went to general revenues of a financially irresponsible Liberal government.
a huge tax grab, plain & simple
Russia emits only 60% of what Canadians do percapita, so why on earth would you expect them to cut back until we've cut back to their emissions level. Canada is about on par with the USA, but as I said before, China and India are much lower then us on a percapita basis.
It makes economic sense to invest more infrastructure into energy sources whose cost will be going down, instead of fossil fuels whose costs will only increase.
Once you include the economic costs of climate change, its a total no brainer.
Waiting until Russia moves first is stupid.
China is already starting that transition, we're behind them in some ways, though they have much further to go.
Actually, China is leading the way in its increasing carbon emissions. China's emissions are the primary reason the world is setting new records in carbon emissions.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/25/business/china-davos-climate-change.html
Meanwhile, let's be clear about cap and trade -- it has nothing to do with reducing emissions.
If the Wynne government had been serious about reducing emissions, it would have brought in a carbon tax that is transparent and punishingly high, to encourage people to change their consumption habits. To keep the economy sound, the punishingly high and visible carbon taxes would have been offset by equivalent reductions in other taxes.
Cap and trade, with its confusing and hidden costs, has no effect on consumer habits and on emissions.
It was brought in solely as a revenue source for government. There was no environmental benefit. In fact, the Wynne government was spending billions on hydro rebates that increase energy use.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/25/business/china-davos-climate-change.html
Meanwhile, let's be clear about cap and trade -- it has nothing to do with reducing emissions.
If the Wynne government had been serious about reducing emissions, it would have brought in a carbon tax that is transparent and punishingly high, to encourage people to change their consumption habits. To keep the economy sound, the punishingly high and visible carbon taxes would have been offset by equivalent reductions in other taxes.
Cap and trade, with its confusing and hidden costs, has no effect on consumer habits and on emissions.
It was brought in solely as a revenue source for government. There was no environmental benefit. In fact, the Wynne government was spending billions on hydro rebates that increase energy use.
Japan and France both have winter Germany has a pretty cold winter, Russia has a fucking awful winter. Norway is cold, remote and has a huge energy industry yet their emissions are 2/3 of Canada...any more poorly thought out excuses?
From your article:
They had one year of higher economic activity and while they also implement lots of new green energy it couldn't keep up last year, the first time in a couple of years.
It also notes that China is implementing cap and trade policies of their own.
Thanks for posting an article that shows you are wrong.
Cap and trade is not really something to be understood by your average dumb joe (as is pretty evident) it is a system to place a cost and create and incentive for companies to reduce emissions. It really has nothing to do with the consumer. The $$ generated are supposed to go to the consumer and businesses to help finance emissions reduction. All the consumers see is costs and some goodies. Like window subs, better heating equipment etc etc. Some of it will be a boondoggle, but almost every govt program, including healthcare has elements of this.
