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Rumor about next Ekos Poll: NDP 40.9%, PC 30.9%, Liberals 18.9%, Greens 7.1%

Butler1000

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I fully support your declining your ballot.
It'll make my NDP vote that much more useful.
Seriously considering. Haven't made up my mind. My thinking is right now my riding is fairly decided judging from previous elections and signage up so far.

Quite simply though I truly don't think it will matter. All three are unqualified to govern.
 

bver_hunter

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The Conservatives are now hitting back at the NDP for this candidates anti-semitic and very disrespectful remarks. No doubt this Tasleem Riaz woman should step down for these disgusting type of posts on her Facebook Account if it is true. I think this would mean that the NDP would not have a candidate in this riding. Not sure whether they can replace her at this stage.

http://toronto.citynews.ca/2018/05/25/pc-candidates-accuse-ndp-ignoring-anti-semitism-within-party/

Obviously, the Conservatives themselves have some very controversial candidates that have been endorsed by Dumb Ford!!
 

bver_hunter

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Since when do polls get leaked before they are released? Sounds pretty unprofessional to me. Furthermore, I believe EKOS only polled 507 people. I'd say these results are suspect.
But I've said it many times before and I will continue to say it - the only poll that counts is on election day.
BTW, former Mississauga mayor Hazel McCallion endorsed Doug Ford for Premier tonight
https://www.insauga.com/former-mississauga-mayor-hazel-mccallion-endorses-doug-ford
With the Forum Research Poll showing even higher numbers for the NDP are these results still a "suspect" to you??
 

Insidious Von

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The pre-poll, is that like Ba Ba Booooey's pre promotion.

Dougie made two big pronouncements as he became leader. He said the Conservatives would take Queen's Park with the biggest majority in Canadian history. And he called Justin Trudeau the worst Prime Minister in Canadian history. Very Trumpian.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiYIDjfpdZM&t=99s
 

JohnLarue

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Jan 19, 2005
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Talk of an NDP majority with 2 weeks to go is bad for the NDP.
Talk of an NDP majority with two weeks to go is bad for everyone
The province is $340 B in debt right now, 4 years of NDP policies will likely double that amount
 

kono

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Talk of an NDP majority with two weeks to go is bad for everyone
The province is $340 B in debt right now, 4 years of NDP policies will likely double that amount
Haven't you figured it out yet after 15 years of Liberal scandals and billions wasted. Ontarian's don't care about the growing debt and the interest which is set to go up at some point in time.
Maybe it's a reflection of there own lives where they live well above there means? Things will have to get really bad before people pay attention. By then it'll be too late.
 

bver_hunter

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The Ontario economy is coming off a period of strong growth, and unemployment stands at 5.5 per cent, below the federal average and the lowest level in 17 years. It was okay for Harper to also grow the Federal Debt, and even at the end of his tenure when he so called balanced the budget, it was done so by shutting many homes for veterans, and cutting a lot of other services for the very needy.

Horwath is a much better option than Dumb Ford who does not have the slightest clue how to balance the budget the deficit, but offer a number of goodies. He has so far not disclosed his agenda / policies for his platform.
 

Boober69

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The pre-poll, is that like Ba Ba Booooey's pre promotion.

Dougie made two big pronouncements as he became leader. He said the Conservatives would take Queen's Park with the biggest majority in Canadian history. And he called Justin Trudeau the worst Prime Minister in Canadian history. Very Trumpian.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiYIDjfpdZM&t=99s
Yes very Trumpian...and we all know how bad it worked out for Trump in the last election.
 

Boober69

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The Ontario economy is coming off a period of strong growth, and unemployment stands at 5.5 per cent, below the federal average and the lowest level in 17 years. It was okay for Harper to also grow the Federal Debt, and even at the end of his tenure when he so called balanced the budget, it was done so by shutting many homes for veterans, and cutting a lot of other services for the very needy.

Horwath is a much better option than Dumb Ford who does not have the slightest clue how to balance the budget the deficit, but offer a number of goodies. He has so far not disclosed his agenda / policies for his platform.
Horwath knows how to balance the budget? You mean like making a $1.4 billion rounding error in her forecast? I guess she's good with numbers as long as math isn't involved. Perhaps her anti-poppy-wearing and female oil-wrestling party members will help her with that.
 

bver_hunter

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Horwath knows how to balance the budget? You mean like making a $1.4 billion rounding error in her forecast? I guess she's good with numbers as long as math isn't involved. Perhaps her anti-poppy-wearing and female oil-wrestling party members will help her with that.
How is Dumb Ford going to balance the budget, with all his tax cuts including taxes for gas, business taxes, general income tax cuts, increase Mental Health spending, etc. etc.?? You buy all the garbage that he has spewed from his nostrils.

He will increase spending to the tune of $10 billion. The only way he can then "balance " the budget is by slashing jobs left, right and centre!! No wonder he has not released any details of his platform.

But then he is going to cut the CBC Budget. Dumb statement and you right wingers buy his nonsense. Or explain exactly how he is going to pay for all the tax cuts and increases in Mental Health Care spending!!
 

Frankfooter

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Horwath knows how to balance the budget? You mean like making a $1.4 billion rounding error in her forecast? I guess she's good with numbers as long as math isn't involved. Perhaps her anti-poppy-wearing and female oil-wrestling party members will help her with that.
At least she can do a budget.
Druggie won't release one, maybe he just can't do it at all.
 

Moviefan-2

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With the Forum Research Poll showing even higher numbers for the NDP are these results still a "suspect" to you??
Yes, actually.

It turns out the leaked Ekos numbers were only based on one day's polling and some shifts among fickle millennials on a bad day for Doug Ford. Ekos' official numbers actually show the NDP and the PCs in a statistical tie:

http://torontosun.com/news/provincial/ndp-heavily-favoured-for-provincial-election-leaked-poll

Forum's numbers were also based on just one day of polling from that same bad day for Ford.

This thing is far from over.

https://newsinteractives.cbc.ca/onvotes/poll-tracker/

https://globalnews.ca/news/4228557/david-akin-20-closest-ridings-ontario/
 

essguy_

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I keep telling you guys - there is absolutely no point trying to call this thing because of all the factors at play. A despised incumbent. A despised leader of the opposition. The one leader who isn't despised is feared because of the party she leads. So the real question is how will votes switch in the dying days of the campaign to prevent an outcome? It's pretty clear that a majority Govt by any party is feared. So how will last minute attempts to vote strategically skew the outcome? It's a total crap shoot.
 

Insidious Von

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Did Andre Horwath have a crystal ball. She ran a listless campaign in 2014, did she know that the Liberals would self-destruct and the PC to fucked in the head to elect an electable leader.

Doug Ford is too much of a lazy ass to gain the higher ground. He'll keep going with trinkets and negative messages - that's all he knows. He couldn't even defeat John Tory. Moviefan-2, millennials will never vote for Doug Ford. Like I said in another thread, anyone born after 1995 is going to inherit the shit show we produced.

Business Insider has a great article on millennials but they wanted me to turn off my Add Blocker...fuck you.

https://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/politics/Responsibility-for-Millennials-to-Push-for-Sustainability-478291393.html
 

managee

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Talk of an NDP majority with two weeks to go is bad for everyone
The province is $340 B in debt right now, 4 years of NDP policies will likely double that amount
$5 billion in new spending a year and a balanced budget?

He’s 2-weeks from Election Day.

What’s he hiding?

Setting aside the Progressive Conservative’s spending promises, a tally of the tax cuts and rebates proposed by the party shows a $5 billion annual hit to the treasury once they’re all rolled out.

-Corporate tax cut: $1.4 billion
-Personal income tax cut: $2.3 billion
-Minimum wage tax cut: $500 million
-Child care rebate: $389 million
-Small business tax cut: $60 million
-Gas tax cut: $1.2 billion

The Liberals and NDP have also released billions in new spending but unlike the Tories, they are promising to run deficits for every year of the mandate, should they form government. Both also released their spending plans, the Liberals through the budget and the NDP through their April platform.

The conclusion from former parliamentary budget officer Kevin Page: “We do not see any major party with a strong fiscal responsibility agenda.”

Without yet explaining how it would get there, the Progressive Conservatives maintain that they will balance their budget within a first mandate.

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Moffatt is the director of policy and research a the progressive think tank Canada 2020 and an assistant professor at Western University’s Ivey Business School. He has also consulted with the Liberals and another political party in the current election.

His analysis shows the PCs running deficits ranging from $5.8 billion to $7.6 billion — in line with, and sometimes higher, than those put forward by the Liberals and NDP.

He cautions that it’s a “rough” estimate because in many cases details on when the Progressive Conservative promises would roll out are missing. Moffatt says the takeaway from his analysis is “how far away we are from a balanced budget regardless of who’s getting elected.”

His breakdown doesn’t include the $6 billion in “efficiencies” that Ford has promised to find because he said it’s too “vague” to reliably build into the analysis. But Moffatt also didn’t include other spending promises like the pledge to invest $5 billion more in subways because it lacks detail. He also used the much lower $77 million price tag for the Tory’s promise for more long term care beds.

https://ipolitics.ca/2018/05/23/as-ontarios-progressive-conservative-spending-promises-pile-up-so-do-the-questions/


Saying you’re voting PC this time around because you believe in fiscal responsibility and/or balanced budgets is actually ludicrous.
 

dickydoem

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Has Horwath ever defined just who she considers to be the "very rich" and just how much "a little more" is that they are going to be paying?

I think that a lot of people are going to be shocked that they are suddenly going to be part of the "very rich".
 

K Douglas

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The Ontario economy is coming off a period of strong growth, and unemployment stands at 5.5 per cent, below the federal average and the lowest level in 17 years. It was okay for Harper to also grow the Federal Debt, and even at the end of his tenure when he so called balanced the budget, it was done so by shutting many homes for veterans, and cutting a lot of other services for the very needy.

Horwath is a much better option than Dumb Ford who does not have the slightest clue how to balance the budget the deficit, but offer a number of goodies. He has so far not disclosed his agenda / policies for his platform.
I would say the relatively strong growth in Ontario the past couple of years has to do more with the people than with the government policies. The Wynne gov't has been anti small business - burdensome regulations and the big increase in minimum wage. They are job killers. Coupled with the highest energy rates in North America they are clearly saying Ontario is not a business friendly province. Furthermore, the wages of workers are not keeping up with the the GDP growth or inflation. And if anyone buys the 5.5% unemployment rate figure for a second they are not living in reality. Case in point - my buddy just put a help wanted ad for a cashier at his store. Min wage 14-20 hours per week. He received 102 resumes the very first day.
 
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