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Poll: Germans think Russia is more trustworthy than USA

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82% of Germans believe US is unreliable partner – poll
Published time: 22 May, 2018 02:18
Edited time: 22 May, 2018 05:18


The vast majority of Germans believe the US is not a reliable partner for Berlin when it comes to political cooperation, according to a new poll. It comes after Chancellor Merkel said that Europe can no longer rely on Washington.
The survey, commissioned by public service TV provider ZDF, found that 82 percent of Germans believe the US is not a reliable partner, with only 14 percent believing it is. The remaining four percent were unsure.

It comes after German Chancellor Angela Merkel stated earlier this month that Europe "needs to take its fate into its own hands," noting that "it's no longer the case that the United States will simply just protect us."

Merkel's statement came after US President Donald Trump pulled out of the Iran nuclear deal, despite Germany, the UK, and France urging him to remain part of the accord.

However, the majority (65%) of Germans are still optimistic that the remaining signatories of the Iran deal – the UK, France, Germany, China, and Russia – will be successful at keeping with the agreement. Twenty-eight percent, though, are skeptical that it can continue without Washington.

Meanwhile, the survey participants were also asked about whether Russia is a reliable partner, with more people (36%) viewing Moscow as trustworthy than Washington.

The poll was commissioned by ZDF and conducted by the Mannheim Research Group. Interviews were conducted over the phone with 1,200 random participants between May 15-17.
 

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Rather like saying that Germans find crocodiles to be very reliable animals.


However, what it likely shows is survey bias, when you throw a question as to whether the U.S. or Russia is a more reliable partner onto a poll about German attitudes towards the U.S. pulling out of the Iran Nuclear agreement, you already have people thinking is a certain way before you ask the question.
 

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Right up to the point the Russians put a gas squeeze on them in January. Or "liberate" Estonia again.

Then suddenly I think attitudes will change.
 

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Rather like saying that Germans find crocodiles to be very reliable animals.


However, what it likely shows is survey bias, when you throw a question as to whether the U.S. or Russia is a more reliable partner onto a poll about German attitudes towards the U.S. pulling out of the Iran Nuclear agreement, you already have people thinking is a certain way before you ask the question.
Sure, it must be a mistake. How can it not be. You are convinced that the Trump Regime is very reliable. A beacon on the hill.
 

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A better poll would be which country views Trump as trustworthy. His hamfisted attempts at applying his "Art of the Deal - Atlantic Casino Bankruptcy" tactics to geopolitics and trade have been a joke for the U.S. and has simply made any counter-party shake their heads. He cancels deals with no backup plan, he attacks long-time allies and trading partners like Canada, whining about being treated unfairly when U.S. industry heads beg to differ. He's an unpredictable idiot who governs by a stream of consciousness - whatever his hands tweet gets morphed into policy as his hapless officials try to make sense of it, and try to minimize the embarrassment by crafting "policy" to make it seem like Trump's random tweets are part of a larger plan.
 

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Well that just means that they agree with Trump who has done everything in his power and the power of the presidency to undermine just about every pillar of democracy. Trump doesn't trust the DOJ, the FBI, the CIA the press etc. So why would anyone have any trust in the US.
 

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Germany is an occupied Country. Has been since WWII. Remember what the purpose of NATO was. Germany down, Russia out, and Britain in. Unfortunately America NEVER keeps any promise EVER. The World knows this. Those that can stand up to America do. Most can't. I'm sure the German and European Elite will cave via bribes or threats and not serve the interests of the people of Europe. If they do Wall St. and the City of London will attack their Banking systems.
 

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Rather like saying that Germans find crocodiles to be very reliable animals.


However, what it likely shows is survey bias, when you throw a question as to whether the U.S. or Russia is a more reliable partner onto a poll about German attitudes towards the U.S. pulling out of the Iran Nuclear agreement, you already have people thinking is a certain way before you ask the question.

I doubt most Germans like either Russia or the US, although there are Euro-lefties who will give you the same spiel that Notty and Danny do and who much prefer Russia. That said, Russia is the crocodile down the street who Germans have to deal with every day and vice versa. And the US is the crocodile from over the hill who flies in once a week and orders everybody around and who has no idea how Europe actually functions and doesn't give a shit either because the US is "more important". It was like that when I spent a few months in Germany as a summer student in the 70's and I can't see that anything would have changed.
 

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Germany is an occupied Country. Has been since WWII. Remember what the purpose of NATO was. Germany down, Russia out, and Britain in. Unfortunately America NEVER keeps any promise EVER. The World knows this. Those that can stand up to America do. Most can't. I'm sure the German and European Elite will cave via bribes or threats and not serve the interests of the people of Europe. If they do Wall St. and the City of London will attack their Banking systems.
The EU has a GDP larger than the US's. Germany alone is the 4th largest economy in the world. Just saying. Germany's buddies Italy, France and GB are 5, 6, and 7 in whatever order.

I don't think the Germans are "down" anymore.
 

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In plain it sums up Trump's leadership standings around the world. Obviously, he is clueless to the present world issues based on his actions. Wonder whether he wants Iran to start their development of nuclear weapons and the get them to renegotiate so that he is awarded the Nobel Prize for Peace!!
 

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Nice of them to finally grow the fuck up....

Europeans are the basement dwelling millennial of global security. Is it a wonder when they whine as you kick them out (which we’ve not done, and is long overdue)
 

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Nice of them to finally grow the fuck up....

Europeans are the basement dwelling millennial of global security. Is it a wonder when they whine as you kick them out (which we’ve not done, and is long overdue)
Be careful what you wish for. Europe can outspend the US on munitions and has a larger population base. A militarized Europe shoulders the US aside as the global superpower. You think that's why the Americans might continue to defend Europe? So Europe doesn't re-arm?
 

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Normal. The Western Europeans always prefer a weak America. As soon as the Americans start throwing their weight around, their approval numbers dive. Especially among the French and Germans.
 

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Nice of them to finally grow the fuck up....

Europeans are the basement dwelling millennial of global security. Is it a wonder when they whine as you kick them out (which we’ve not done, and is long overdue)
The issue, that Americans - including you - do not see, is that Europeans have stopped buying the cold war propaganda about the red Russian menace.

I agree with you and hope that your wish comes through. The Trump regime is certainly trying to push the wagon forward. The Americans are whining about Turkey buying S400s, we will see what they say when Germany follows Turkey.
 

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Be careful what you wish for. Europe can outspend the US on munitions and has a larger population base. A militarized Europe shoulders the US aside as the global superpower. You think that's why the Americans might continue to defend Europe? So Europe doesn't re-arm?
If they had balls they could, sadly they don’t. They also have an aging population and are addicted to a trade surplus with the US.

Britton is out, Italy looks to be on their heals... are you looking toward French and German cooperation?
 

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The issue, that Americans - including you - do not see, is that Europeans have stopped buying the cold war propaganda about the red Russian menace.

I agree with you and hope that your wish comes through. The Trump regime is certainly trying to push the wagon forward. The Americans are whining about Turkey buying S400s, we will see what they say when Germany follows Turkey.
That Merkel would turn East after her Soviet experience is beyond ridiculous.

What cold war, Russia, Europe and the ME are yeasterdays news, the game is in Asia.
 

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That Merkel would turn East after her Soviet experience is beyond ridiculous.
It may not be so riculous as you think. As Tom Lehrer said about the Germans: "Our traditional friends."
The Trump Regime is wearing the friendship thin.

What cold war, Russia, Europe and the ME are yeasterdays news, the game is in Asia.
So why does Nato have to arm up against Russia??
 

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It may not be so riculous as you think. As Tom Lehrer said about the Germans: "Our traditional friends."
The Trump Regime is wearing the friendship thin.



So why does Nato have to arm up against Russia??
What exactly does Germany bring to a joint friendship. They’re like a friend who never picks up the check.

Other than the US NATO is as useless as tits on a bull.
 
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